Leah & Mike, I agree with both your responses. And usually the results of these type of ads are confusing interpretations and little, if litte, if any responses to the end recruiter. The candidates that do respond probably have very similar questions as Mike, with the recruiter then sorta leaving them hanging without being able to answer questions concisely or 'this is what I got from the employer'.
I almost cringe when I talk to some recruiters because it takes a significant amount of time trying to get them to understand your questions AND be able to understand what they are trying to say in response. And believe me, English isn't their only problem - follow up in some cases is non-existent. It's almost like once you get your resume to them, they feel absolutely no obligation (can you say professional courtesy) to ever provide you an update and even when you do try to check, you get a sense that they couldn't be bothered with you. But I have started to get some sense of why this is. This is the way the culture in their native land is, but unfortunately they forget they're recruiting in an entirely different country and culture. And in the worse case scenario, I actually maintain my own personal 'do not contact' list because with their communication being soooo bad and their follow up even worse, it's not worth my time even trying to work with them. What these same recruiters don't understand (or perhaps don't care to begin with) is 1. these job openings are usually posted by more than one company so candiates have other options or recruiters and 2. They are just wasting their own company's money with their poor communications and even poorer follow up because they get less responses AND candidates that take a chance to work them once and have such a hard time with communications & follow up, will be way less likely to respond to future postings with the same company. But it's not my goal to try and interpret these before passing them along (I'd be forever in some cases LOL). I'm just trying to share the growing number of contacts/openings I'm getting myself. I've got a good deal of activity going myself and hopefully I won't be on the job market for very long. When that happens I usually turn off my profiles on the three job sites I follow and I don't get contacted... Thanks, Ken [email protected] ________________________________ From: Leah Halpin <[email protected]> To: Mike Rawlins <[email protected]>; edi-l <[email protected]> Sent: Sat, March 26, 2011 7:12:35 PM Subject: Re: [EDI-L] <JOBS> EDI DEVELOPER 6+ months contract in CEDARHURST, NY. I have had more than one HR person ask me to "update" my resume for the work I was doing because we needed another person and they just copy it for the posting. I've never seen one do it this baldly (and badly), though. I'm going to take a wild guess that English might not be Anshul Gangwar's native tongue. Leah ________________________________ From: Mike Rawlins <[email protected]> To: edi-l <[email protected]> Sent: Sat, March 26, 2011 12:18:30 PM Subject: Re: [EDI-L] <JOBS> EDI DEVELOPER 6+ months contract in CEDARHURST, NY. OK, thanks for the qualification Ken, but you have to admit this one *is* a bit weird. For your edification (and late Friday entertainment) I'll note where it reads more like a resume than an opening: * Helped 5010 HIPAA team to carry out Gap Analysis and Mapping for products MHC, MHS, Amisys, QMACS. * Provided various innovative ideas and solutions in production environment to stabilize the existing system. * Trained and mentored new resource in ECMAP skills and brought them up to the speed * Being a PPQA, ensured the deliverables are meeting/exceeding customers expectations * Played the role of Team leader and marked Far exceeding expectations from Clients. * Implemented CMM-I Level 3 in EDI project with Zero non- conformances and been awarded star for zero non conformances. (does that mean the prospective employer wants someone to have give the candidate a gold star? Or is it that this req was mostly cribbed from the resume of someone who got a gold star?) And, in general, the use of past tense verbs (developed, worked, etc.) as opposed to conventional phrasing like "the ability to", "proficiency in", etc. Personally, i would be a bit wary of any employer or recruiter who sends out such a sloppily written opening. Cheers, Mike -- ----------------------------------------- Michael C. Rawlins, Senior Software Engineer, GXS Sent from personal account On 3/25/2011 4:18 AM, Ken Etter wrote: > Mike, > Not sure what is confusing. > At the top I wrote "Please contact the recruiter below if you are > interested in this opportunity". > At the bottom I wrote "Recruiter contact", followed by the recruiters > name and contact info. > I'm sure the description is what the recruiter got from the employer, > but you would need to contact the recruiter for more information or > questions. This is the very same format I use for all of the postings > I place on this list. I don't evaluate the specifics or validity of > this or other opportunities I pass along, just pass along the > information (as I receive it) for any interested job seekers on this list. > I'm not the recruiter nor am I trying to fill the postion myself. > Anshul Gangwar is the recruiter at Okaya Infocom. > Again, not really sure what is confusing. If you're interested or > have further questions, please contact Anshul... > Thanks, > Ken Etter > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > *From:* Mike Rawlins <[email protected]> > *To:* [email protected] > *Sent:* Thu, March 24, 2011 11:05:25 PM > *Subject:* Re: [EDI-L] <JOBS> EDI DEVELOPER 6+ months contract in > CEDARHURST, NY. > > Ken, > > This is a confusing post - are you offering this guy or is this a > position you're trying to fill? If the former, it sounds like this guy > walks on water. If the latter, good luck filling this one. > > Cheers, > > Mike > > -- > ----------------------------------------- > Michael C. Rawlins, Senior Software Engineer, Inovis (a GXS Company) > Sent from personal account > > On 3/24/2011 5:51 PM, Ken Etter wrote: > > > > Please contact the recruiter below if you are interested in this > > opportunity. > > > > Title: EDI Developer > > Term: Contract > > Duration: 6 month(s) > > Location: NY, Cedarhurst > > Skill & Job Description > > * 8+ Years plus as EDI Developer, with major strengths in EDI BizTalk, > > Sybase > > EC map5.1, Win map and Extol. > > > > * Certified AHIP250 Professional (on US Health plan fundamentals) > > * Expert in 837I/P/D, 834, 835, 820, 270/271, 276/277, 277CA, 997, 999 > > HIPAA > > transactions for 4010 and 5010 versions. > > > > * Expert in CPT, HCPCS code sets and ICD codes > > * Excellent EDI SME, helped 5010 HIPAA team to carry out Gap > Analysis and > > Mapping for products MHC, MHS, Amisys, QMACS. > > > > * Strong in AS/400 systems including EDI tool Extol and developed > > solutions > > using the tool. > > > > * Strong in production environment resolving production issues with less > > resolution time. > > > > * Provided various innovative ideas and solutions in production > > environment to > > stabilize the existing system. > > > > * Trained and mentored new resource in ECMAP skills and brought them > > up to the > > speed > > > > * Worked in the entire life cycle of projects including business > > solicitation, > > requirements gathering, development and maintenance. > > > > * Expert in Preparing Documentation in various areas like technical & > > functional areas. > > > > * Worked in demanding time schedules, have good communication skills and > > attitude towards teamwork. > > > > * Ability to identify problems and provide cost effective solution. > > * Played the role of Team leader and marked Far exceeding expectations > > from > > Clients. > > > > * Excellent team player who takes up responsibilities, thrives on > > collaborating > > with diversely talented team members, and integrates their divergent > > thoughts, > > opinions, and perspectives into meaningful action. > > > > * Internal ISO certified Auditor who has implemented ISO process in the > > organization. Taken the responsibility to audit and clear NCs in various > > development and maintenance projects. > > > > * Implemented CMM-I Level 3 in EDI project with Zero non- conformances > > and been > > awarded star for zero non conformances. > > > > * Being a PPQA, ensured the deliverables are meeting/exceeding customers > > expectations > > > > * Design and Developed In-house tools to automate some of the EDI > > Processes. > > Middleware: BizTalk Server 2002, 2006 and 2009 > > Database: Oracle 9i, SQL Server2008, MYSQL. > > EDI Tools: Sybase EC map, EC gateway, Winmap > > Configuration Tools: VSS > > Protocols: SOAP, TCP/IP, HTTP, FTP > > Web Technologies: ASP.Net, ASP, XML, XSLT, HTML > > Languages: C++, C, C#, VB.net<http://vb.net/> > > Operating Systems: Windows. > > Scripting: JavaScript, VBscript and Perl script > > > > > > Recruiter contact: > > > > Anshul Gangwar > > Phone:631-267-4883 Ext.239, Fax: 631-389-2446 > > Email:[email protected] <mailto:agangwar%40okayainfo.com> > <mailto:agangwar%40okayainfo.com> > > YIM:anshul_okaya GMAIL: anshul.gangwar > > Linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/anshulgangwar1285 > > Okaya Inc. | E-Verified Company| > > Where Commitment Is A Passion > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ ... 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