I understated my previous post a bit. All of the TOP 500 supercomputers run a 
derivaion of an open source operating system per the wikipedia page.

73,
Bill WE5P

Comfortably Numb

> On Nov 27, 2020, at 15:26, weave...@usermail.com wrote:
> 
> 
> You are exactly right Len. A majority of the worlds biggest super computers 
> are run on open source software (Not Windows :)). The June 2020 list here 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TOP500. Android devices, imbedded devices, most 
> web browsers etc. The list goes on and on.
> 
> it’s about quality developers and a quality development process. Elecraft 
> surely has the market cornered in both aspects for both hardware and software.
> 
> 73,
> Bill WE5P
> 
> Comfortably Numb
> 
>>> On Nov 27, 2020, at 14:29, l...@ka7ftp.com wrote:
>>> 
>> " OpenSSL pretty much runs the entire secure Internet. Linux, Python, etc.
>> 
>> But those are exceptions."
>> 
>> And an interesting statistic...
>> 
>> "It's often said that more than half of new businesses fail during the first 
>> year. According to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS), this isn't 
>> necessarily true. Data from the BLS shows that approximately 20% of new 
>> businesses fail during the first two years of being open, 45% during the 
>> first five years, and 65% during the first 10 years. Only 25% of new 
>> businesses make it to 15 years or more. These statistics haven't changed 
>> much over time, and have been fairly consistent since the 1990s.1 Though 
>> the odds are better than the commonly held belief, there are still many 
>> businesses that are closing down every year in the United States."
>> 
>> It seems that this thread has become the whipping boy for open source.  I 
>> would suggest that it is irrelevant whether something is open or closed 
>> source.  Much of the "stuff" we buy today is created and sold in a one off 
>> runs  from China.  Once produced it is sold at Walmart and few people care 
>> how long it works, as long as it's cheap.  For the few who care most stores 
>> will do a "no questions asked" refund.  And then the consumer is off to buy 
>> another piece of junk.
>> 
>> Open source projects are often created by a single individual , or a few 
>> people, who care about creating a "thing".  There is often no thought about 
>> money, profit, or even maintaining the project.  There are a few that gain 
>> traction and in some cases change the world.  I'm sure it's more than the 
>> few projects that we have all listed in this thread that thrive. It's no 
>> different than the stats above on business.  Unless you can create something 
>> that is useful and compel people to buy and use, the product will eventually 
>> cease to evolve and the company will probably die.  Many open source 
>> projects reach maturity when the goals of the project are meet.  Those 
>> project are often abandoned...  Not really that different from a business 
>> that no longer innovates.
>> 
>> This seems like a silly debate to continue demonizing one method or another. 
>>   Both methods are valid and are based of different motivations. And in 
>> reality they are indifferent to our opinions...  
>> 
>> I think the question originally raised was as to the possibility of open 
>> sourcing the older Elecraft code.  My guess is that may not happen for a lot 
>> of reasons.    As long as Elecraft is doing well in business why would they 
>> freely part with their intellectual property, I wouldn't.  
>> 
>> len
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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