[EMAIL PROTECTED] tapped out this message on 10/2/2002 11:40 AM >This is a note about how 'ready' X is to be the only OS on a machine. >(the machine referenced below as my mcahine is: a G4/500/Dp >768RAM/80gig/DVD-RAM)
>I am not going to go point by point thrugh your (wrong) list of "pluses" >- I will however take exception to a few points you made: > >>+ This also means that apps can't block my machine. Very common >>experience in OS 9 even on G4 hardware. >I have had apps (mostly games) do this in X - the game 'takes over' the >machine with no way to switch out. If it hten crashes (happened) the only >way 'out' is to restart. I agree. I don't know WHERE people get the idea that X doesn't take down the whole machine when it crashes? It takes it down -- worse. >>+ Few apps crash anymore. >I have *YET* to run an app in X (even OS installed) that has not crashed >at least once. >Software update, iTunes, classic etc > >the very first app I ran (10.1.?) after installing X kernel paniced the >machine - IE And there is no way to tell what did it. At least on 9 I know exactly why I crashed in the rare event that I do. Usually it's a website or lack of memory. Neither the fault of the OS actually. >>+ No Kernel panics since 10.1.3 >I installed (clean) jaguar 2.5 weeks ago since then I have had 6 kernal >panics, an innumerable amount of app crashes, and just general >instability while running X. Boot back into 9 and have not a single >crash (app or OS) Updating is a nightmare. Windows anyone? >-- trouble shooting any of the above problems is pointless >* The OS gives no error codes - cryptic or not. THerfore there is no way >to even begin to determine what caused the problem. Was it memory, >directory structure, bad programming, an OS issue, a peripheral issue?? >what???? > >* the first thing I hear when I mention these problems: have yo tried to >re-install? >Hell-- if I wanted to reinstall OSes I would buy a PC and save hundreds >(or maybe thousands) of $. I currenlty support 35 macs + my own, I have >worked in envroments with as many as 125. **NEVER** have I had to >re-install an OS due to an OS failure. Sure for Disk faliures and >updates, but NEVER because the OS "just was not working". There should >be NO need to do this now - or ever. - BTW - did NOT resolve anythign, >just ate time. Again, reinstalling is what AC Tech support tells you to do. To quote two shops near me that went out of business, it was because "of so many problems". >>+ Emailer works fine in classic through ADSL. >No it does not - >as has been posted here previously - >when retrieving email, during the unpacking process, emailer (for me) >crashes, for others (as I understand) fails to unpack the email. > >Additionally - >the UI -breaks *MANY* of the well known UI guide lines - >moving objects: >* the Dock - when hidden pops up, when not applications either during >launch or when they want attention 'bounce'. Also no way to turn this >peice of junk off. >* 'throbing' buttons - which about half the time do NOT accept >enter/return key I agree with the GUI stuff, but most annoying is the internal stuff..."the way it works" (or doesn't) >unnesssary repitition >* the "toolbar" - unneeded repitition of commands. Most of the toolbar >functions already exist in the primary menubar - where they belong since >they apply to all objects in the interface (such as view settings). >* Wasted interface space - the area the toolbar takes since all the >commands are already elsewhere all that spece is wasted - it is also >cuttered > >Break from existing (previous) interface - WITH OUT good (exteme) reason >* moving the window widgets -placing the wigets together (ala winblows) >facilitates one of the most obvious problems th winblos inerface suffers >- 'mis-clicking'. X now has the same problem - I aim to click the window >closed, miss and resize it, or minimize it - same fo rthe other >functions. Additonally Apple put the stupid toolbar button in the >location that the previous interface had the minimize/resize buttons. So >again - mis-clicking opens/closes the toolbar whenthe inent was to >minimize or resize the window. There is/was no prevailing >need/requirement to move these objects. > >Removal of existing functionality >* window shade >* apple menu (customizable) >* application menu >* tabbed windows >to name a few - > >yes there are 3rd party replacements - however - ALL of these functions >have either been in the OS since the begining (Apple menu) or were >inserted in the OS after nearly EVERY USER added this functionality to >their OS once they found out about it (window shade) > >>- Some apps, mostly Music apps such as certain plugins have not arrived >>yet. >after 2 years apps that some people (not me) need do not function - as >far as I can tell there is *NOTHING* to support midi - natively. > >and while we are discussing hardware (midi) SCSI support in X is >miserable at best. Most existing scsi cards do not work, cause crashing, >or other instability in the OS or other apps. Those few that DO work >most do not fully support raid, and are not the faster cards. > >>- You need to invest about a hundred dollars for more RAM, 30 MB seem to >>be the magic minimum, but usually 512 MB is downright wonderful. If you >>can afford 1Gb+, get it. >Ok - so now the new machine I just spent a minimum of $1200 on does not >have enough RAM torun the OS that comes installed on it?!?! this is a >good selling point. > >>- You need to get batchMod, Pseudo or Skeleton in order to get decent GUI >>file handling, with user rights and groups. Or you can turn this off on >>removable drives or other drives beside your boot. >Why? - not why do I need it - but why *should* I need it? > >>- I need to reboot once a week due to swap files adding up. I suspect >>this is because 352 MB is too little RAM for OS X. >and this is something extra wondeful! - >I have machines here at work, and my machine at home (before installing >X) which ran for months with out ever being turned off (or rebooted or >crashed) under OS 9. There is a file you can trash to alleviate this, but who knows where it is? Again, the above posting tells all. >My ASIP server a B&W G3 with 3?? meg RAM has NOT been off (or crashed in >18 months) under OS 8.6 And X users will swear that you "don't really use your machine that much". How much more can a machine be used than for a server???? ......MacO ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe send a mail message with a SUBJECT line of "unsubscribe" to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> or <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
