Kevin, everyone OK, this is a problem with giving general guidance on a list such as this! The guidance that I described works when the two harmonised standards are harmonised under the same directive or regulation.
I am not familiar with the Construction Products Regulation 305/2011 but the CEN website shows that the various parts of EN 54 are expected to be harmonised under that, and were harmonised under the superseded directive 89/106/EEC. I see also (from a word search) that the text of 305/2011 does not reference EMC or 2004/108/EC. So the edition(s) of EN 50140-3 listed in the OJ under 2004/108/EC apply for a presumption of conformity under EMCD until the doc of the superseded standard is passed. Of course harmonised standards are always voluntary and for EMCD, Annex II point 2 sets the requirements where Annex II point 1 is not followed in respect of harmonised standards. I don't have copies of the parts of EN 54 either. Perhaps someone familiar with the CPR can explain the consequences from that side. Best wishes Brian -----Original Message----- From: Harris, Kevin J (DSC) [mailto:kevinharr...@tycoint.com] Sent: 04 February 2014 14:13 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Conflict - cited standard vs. OJ standard Brian, That guidance is not quite applicable here. Only EN 50130-4 is listed in the OJ as an EMC standard and so can be the only standard used for presumption of conformity. The EN 54 series is a product performance set of standards and the requirements contained therein technically have no bearing (from an EMC point of view) on conformity. Kind Regards Kevin -----Original Message----- From: Brian Jones [mailto:e...@brianjones.co.uk] Sent: February-04-14 5:10 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Conflict - cited standard vs. OJ standard Amund, everyone The principle is that the primary harmonised standard (in this case EN 54) sets the requirements, and the dated reference prevails over the edition listed in the OJ. However if EN 50130-4 is applied directly in its own right to a product, then the OJ dates are used. The guidance on this is published in CENELEC Guide 25: Guide on the use of standards for the implementation of the EMC directive to apparatus, which may be downloaded free of charge from the CENELEC website here http://www.cenelec.eu/membersandexperts/referencematerial/cenelecguides.html The relevant text reads as follows: "In some cases, a harmonised standard will make reference by dated reference to another harmonised standard, each standard being listed in the OJEU for the EMC Directive. In such cases, the specific edition of the referenced EN is to be applied irrespective of whether that edition is currently listed in the OJEU. This follows the principle that the primary standard provides the requirements for the apparatus, and hence presumption of conformity in respect of the EMC Directive as described in Annex ZZ of that standard (see Annex E of this Guide). See also C.2 e) below for the specific example where the standards are based on international versions." I would also recommend Guide 24: Electromagnetic Compatibility (EMC) Standardization for Product Committees concerned with apparatus, as useful background information on European EMC standards, which may be downloaded from the same web page. I hope this helps Best wishes Brian Brian Jones EMC Consultant -----Original Message----- From: Amund Westin [mailto:am...@westin-emission.no] Sent: 04 February 2014 08:26 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Conflict - cited standard vs. OJ standard Some of the standards in the EN54-series (fire alarm equipment / CPR - Contruction Product Regulations) have reference to the EMC standard EN50130-4. Not only the standard is cited, but also the version (EN 50130-4:1995+A1:1998). I've been told that Notified Bodies shall use only the standards in the edition mentioned by date in hEN even if CEN has withdrawn and superseded such standards. 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