Amund, I discussed this with the SG07 chair and was informed that they in fact wanted to combine the testing but were advised that there were legal issues preventing them from doing so. This means that CEN (thanks John) TC 72 are the only ones now that can resolve the matter. Practically speaking however, as the transition date is so near, a manufacturer can't hang about hoping for a change at the last moment, so sadly, double testing for new equipment is on for the next while. Note that I say only new equipment. Equipment that is on the market already under the previous version of EN 50130-4 will already have been tested to that standard and so will only have to test to the deltas for the new version for EMC which they would have had to do in any case.
Kind regards Kevin From: Amund Westin [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: February-07-14 5:43 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [PSES] SV: [PSES] Conflict - cited standard vs. OJ standard SG07 say: * apply the EMC stadard that is called up in the applicable EN 54 standard, for CPR (former CPD) approval * apply the EN50130-2011 after 13 June 2014, to meet the EMC directive Best regards Amund Fra: Harris, Kevin J (DSC) [mailto:[email protected]] Sendt: 5. februar 2014 19:01 Til: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Emne: Re: [PSES] Conflict - cited standard vs. OJ standard All, I have consulted with TC 72 (the authors of the EN 54 series) and they are well aware of the problem. The long term goal is to update those parts with the dated references but in the meantime I have the following quote from the committee "TC 72 works closely with the group of notified bodies SG07 and I am sure that, where necessary, a common interpretative position could be produced and published to ensure a consistent approach when testing fire detection and fire alarm products." Kind Regards Kevin By the by: An amendment to EN 50130-4:2011 is currently with the CENELEC secretariat and is expected to go to vote in due course -----Original Message----- From: John Woodgate [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: February-04-14 12:38 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PSES] Conflict - cited standard vs. OJ standard In message <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>, dated Tue, 4 Feb 2014, Brian Jones <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> writes: >OK, this is a problem with giving general guidance on a list such as >this! The guidance that I described works when the two harmonised >standards are harmonised under the same directive or regulation. But Guide 25 is quite general; it doesn't say that its provision only applies where the standards are harmonized under the same Directive. Furthermore, whether the dated reference applies or not depends on the detail of what function the reference performs, not on general rules. So we have a can of worms. At least, it seems that Guide 25 needs to be clarified, but the main point surely is that **dated references must be individually reviewed (by the committee officers or a delegated rapporteur)**, preferably annually, to see if they are still valid. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk<http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk> Nondum ex silvis sumus John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. 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