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I have consulted with TC 72 (the authors of the EN 54 series) and they are well aware of the problem. The long term goal is to update those parts with the dated references but in the meantime I have the following quote from the committee "TC 72 works closely with the group of notified bodies SG07 and I am sure that, where necessary, a common interpretative position could be produced and published to ensure a consistent approach when testing fire detection and fire alarm products." Kind Regards Kevin By the by: An amendment to EN 50130-4:2011 is currently with the CENELEC secretariat and is expected to go to vote in due course -----Original Message----- From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: February-04-14 12:38 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Conflict - cited standard vs. OJ standard In message <023e01cf21ca$7b5915e0$720b41a0$@co.uk<mailto:023e01cf21ca$7b5915e0$720b41a0$@co.uk>>, dated Tue, 4 Feb 2014, Brian Jones <e...@brianjones.co.uk<mailto:e...@brianjones.co.uk>> writes: >OK, this is a problem with giving general guidance on a list such as >this! The guidance that I described works when the two harmonised >standards are harmonised under the same directive or regulation. But Guide 25 is quite general; it doesn't say that its provision only applies where the standards are harmonized under the same Directive. Furthermore, whether the dated reference applies or not depends on the detail of what function the reference performs, not on general rules. So we have a can of worms. At least, it seems that Guide 25 needs to be clarified, but the main point surely is that **dated references must be individually reviewed (by the committee officers or a delegated rapporteur)**, preferably annually, to see if they are still valid. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk<http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk> Nondum ex silvis sumus John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <emc-p...@ieee.org<mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org>> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas <emcp...@radiusnorth.net<mailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.net>> Mike Cantwell <mcantw...@ieee.org<mailto:mcantw...@ieee.org>> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: <j.bac...@ieee.org<mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org>> David Heald: <dhe...@gmail.com<mailto:dhe...@gmail.com>> ________________________________ This e-mail contains privileged and confidential information intended for the use of the addressees named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that you must not disseminate, copy or take any action in respect of any information contained in it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail and immediately destroy this e-mail and its attachments. - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <emc-p...@ieee.org> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas <emcp...@radiusnorth.net> Mike Cantwell <mcantw...@ieee.org> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: <j.bac...@ieee.org> David Heald: <dhe...@gmail.com>
