On Wednesday, April 13, 2011 07:24:51 AM Mark Wendt did opine:

> On 04/12/2011 03:49 PM, gene heskett wrote:
> >> I suppose technically it is possible to create a /usr directory on
> >> the root partition and populate it with a core collection of
> >> programs so they are available early in booting and then merge the
> >> rest of /usr from another partition later on, but that's another
> >> PITA.
> > 
> > Potentially much bigger than the one I seem to be having.  I have
> > considered setting up log, as a separate partition mounted to
> > /var/log, but no one can tell me if when / goes read-only because
> > something went tits down in the deep end of the pool, and /var was a
> > dir on /, would log then be read-only too?  I dunno.
> 
> If you mount /var/log as a separate partition, it may or may not get
> mounted.  If the / partition is getting mounted read only, it's more
> than likely in single user mode, and likely as not, not mounted.  In
> that case, I'd do a mount -o remount,rw / then do a mountall to bring up
> all your other mount points if you need to get to them.

In the crashes before, / went read-only because something blew the 
partition table away.  /var was on /, so no logs.  I had to re-install.
2 weeks later, same story, re-install something else but don't recall, 
might have been the fellow from Morgantown WV's version.  It was at least 3 
years back up the log now & no trace exists today.

> > I can't reboot without using the reset button now, because /var is
> > already unmounted when halt calls whatever is after swapoff -a, and
> > halt can't get a lock, so the reboot is hung.  Its BS ok, but it sure
> > doesn't raise my corn crops by the acre yield...
> 
> Ah, you're having problems with the shutdown then.  Does it do the same
> thing when you shut down or reboot from single user mode?

Dunno, haven't tested.
 
> > But, having been burnt by no logs on 2 crashes before, having /var as
> > a dir on / (as fedora's installer demands) is simply not an option, I
> > won't even discuss it.
> 
> Dittoes for me.  The link above may be related but that was more for
> libs and bins on /usr.  Did these reboot issues just start happening or
> have you had them since the machine build?

I have had this problem with  mdv, mint9, and now pclos, but only on this 
machine.  The shutdown screen says:
Turning off swap
 -f
 <-empty line feed
cursor <-hung here forever.  Tap hdwe reset to reboot from there.

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