Why not reference the Machineries Handbook?

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On Jan 25, 2016 4:33 PM, "Peter Blodow" <p.blo...@dreki.de> wrote:

> Erik,
> right tomorrow morning I'll copy another table (fine threads) for you,
> for today I have had sufficient wine for not attempting (I found a 30
> year old bottle this afternoon in our rarely used basement room).
>
> In case you need the size still tonight: the formula: diameter minus
> pitch is always correct for metric threads, also for fine threads as M12
> x 1,5, as long as they are 60 degree, als Andy stated. I admit that they
> get easier to cut and breakage is less likely as the prefabricated bore
> is larger, with the limitation of bore diameter equal to outer thread
> diameter.
>
> Good night
> Peter
>
> Am 25.01.2016 16:07, schrieb Erik Christiansen:
> > On 25.01.16 14:28, Peter Blodow wrote:
> >> I have run a machine shop with up to twenty workers for 36 years and I
> >> never heard about percentage of engagement etc.
> > Peter,
> >
> > On the 10.2mm hole for M12x1.75, given in the table you posted
> > yesterday, engagement is 84% - very strong, but hard on taps.
> >
> > Industry standards are necessary, and we rely on bought bolts
> > conforming to them when we tweak % engagement in the tapped hole to
> > receive them.
> >
> > Please have a look at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screw_thread
> > under the heading "Thread depth". You will discover that nefarious
> > tapping practices are institutionalised beyond anyone's ability to
> > eradicate. ;-)
> >
> > The text at the OSG calculator, cited upthread:
> > http://www.osgtool.com/Technical.asp?tid=1&id=1
> > is also relevant. To wit:
> >
> > »
> > To minimize tapping problems and lengthen tool life, use the largest
> > drill possible to produce a minor diameter that will result in the
> > lowest percentage of full thread consistent with adequate strength. A
> > minor diameter that provides a 55% to 65% thread is sufficient for most
> > requirements, but in some cases a higher percentage of thread may be
> > necessary to conform with the minor diameter limits of the thread class
> > specified.
> > «
> >
> > Seriously, once we buy an ISO bolt, we can use it as circumstances
> > permit. In industry, you just need an engineer to sign off on that.
> >
> > Would you like to post the drill size your tables specify for M12x1.5,
> > and we'll check the engagement on that? (The table from yesterday
> > included only M12x1.75, so does not help Tom, or allow comparison with
> > our preferred hole size. )
> >
> > Erik
> >
> >
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