On 25.01.16 14:28, Peter Blodow wrote:
> I have run a machine shop with up to twenty workers for 36 years and I
> never heard about percentage of engagement etc.

Peter,

On the 10.2mm hole for M12x1.75, given in the table you posted
yesterday, engagement is 84% - very strong, but hard on taps.

Industry standards are necessary, and we rely on bought bolts
conforming to them when we tweak % engagement in the tapped hole to
receive them. 

Please have a look at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screw_thread
under the heading "Thread depth". You will discover that nefarious
tapping practices are institutionalised beyond anyone's ability to
eradicate. ;-)

The text at the OSG calculator, cited upthread:
http://www.osgtool.com/Technical.asp?tid=1&id=1
is also relevant. To wit:

»
To minimize tapping problems and lengthen tool life, use the largest
drill possible to produce a minor diameter that will result in the
lowest percentage of full thread consistent with adequate strength. A
minor diameter that provides a 55% to 65% thread is sufficient for most
requirements, but in some cases a higher percentage of thread may be
necessary to conform with the minor diameter limits of the thread class
specified.
«

Seriously, once we buy an ISO bolt, we can use it as circumstances
permit. In industry, you just need an engineer to sign off on that.

Would you like to post the drill size your tables specify for M12x1.5,
and we'll check the engagement on that? (The table from yesterday
included only M12x1.75, so does not help Tom, or allow comparison with
our preferred hole size. )

Erik

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