On Thursday 02 June 2016 09:15:35 John Kasunich wrote:

> On Thu, Jun 2, 2016, at 12:34 AM, Gregg Eshelman wrote:
> > There's bound to be some roller chain size between that and bicycle
> > chain, which would be ideal for your application.
>
> Unless this is a mighty slow lathe, I don't think chain is the
> appropriate drive mechanism.
>
> It sounds like part of the problem is a spindle pulley that
>  is too small.  That hurts twice.  First, it reduces the lever
> arm and requires more belt pull per ft-lb of torque delivered.
> Second, it reduces the belt wrap and number of teeth engaged,
> which increases the load per tooth even more.
>
> Bigger pulleys help in other ways too.  A big spindle pulley
> provides some flywheel effect which can reduce chatter
> and relieves the motor/belt of the worst shock loads.

A larger upper pulley that drives the lathes head countershaft is not 
possible as it runs into the rear of the spindle at about 1 more cog.

> I've never seen this lathe, only tried to parse Gene's written
> explanations.  So I have no idea what the real limitations are
> as far as pulley size, belt width, etc.

Basically its such a poor design that I an biting the bullet and buying a 
bigger one, which I am trying to make a hole for in the detrious on my 
garage floor right now, and which I need to get tuit.
>
> A photo or two of the spindle area would help.  What are the
> real constraints on pulley size and drivetrain configuration?
>
> Also helpful would be the following:
>
> Motor rated power (hp or watts, at a particular speed)
> Motor rated speed (at which it develops rated HP)
> Motor speed range when used with the drive in question
> Desired spindle speed range
>
> From that information, you can use online resources to
> determine the proper type and size of belt and the proper
> pulleys to design a reliable drivetrain.  Once you know what
> you need, then you figure out how to make it fit.
>
> This chart is a good starting point.
> http://www.sdp-si.com/D265/HTML/D265T006.html
> Given the rated HP and the speed of the faster pulley it
> shows you which belt families can handle the power.
>
> Doing it any other way is bass-ackwards IMHO.
>
> It sounds like the existing belt is an XL series.  According
> to the chart, the maximum power for an XL belt is about
> 1/2HP at 3450 RPM, about 1/3HP at 1750 RPM.  And that
> assumes properly chosen belt widths (not 3/8") and pulley
> sizes.  If you've increased the motor beyond those limits
> (or even close to them), there is simply no way it is going
> to be reliable.
>
> Another option instead of timing belts is multi-groove
> V-belts (J series).  They have the advantage that you can
> make your own pulleys (if you have a working lathe).
> A spindle drive shouldn't need positive registration, so
> you don't really need toothed belts.


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
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