Ken can pathpilot do 5 axis?
On Thu, 26 Jan 2023, 12:29 , <ken.stra...@sympatico.ca> wrote: > My understanding is that it is open source. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Murray Lindeblom <murray.lindeb...@gmail.com> > Sent: January 25, 2023 5:48 PM > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) <emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net> > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Running PathPilot on non-Tormach Machines > > The question I would like answered is does Tormack make PathPilot an open > source project or is it a proprietary wrapper on Linuxcnc? > Murray > > On Wed, 25 Jan 2023 at 16:35, Linden via Emc-users < > emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: > > > Well said. I see the same both in Europe and North America in all the > > various fields of industry I deal with. > > > > On January 25, 2023 2:11:20 p.m. PST, Chris Albertson < > > albertson.ch...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >The root of the issue here is that LCNC is not a product. It is a > > >development environment where a person can, with some effort, develop > > >a product. > > > > > >Then the problem is that as a group, machinists tend not to have > > >computer skills or much interest in learning computer skills. What > > >we see on this email list is the one-in-the-thousand exception. Most > > >machinists just > > want > > >to make parts and not futz with the tools, especially if the tools > > >involve computers. > > > > > >We are still in a transition period. Today most machinists are older > > >men who actually hate and resent CNC. They spent a lifetime learning > > >to turn handwheels and now some voodoo-magic boxes they don't > > >understand > > completely > > >outclasses their hard-won skill. The new class of machinist are > > >different. They are more like engineers then blue color factory > > >machinists. These new guys see g-code as the product and parts as > > >the byproduct and most of this new generation is not used to making > > >anything > > by > > >hand. > > > > > >We are still in the transitional period where we see a mix of the old > > >guys who have adapted to new ways, new people who have never made > > >anything by hand and the few of us on this list who actualy like to mess > with tools. > > > > > >Torrmach did a good thing by turning LCNC into a marketable product. > > > > > >On Wed, Jan 25, 2023 at 1:30 PM John Dammeyer > > ><jo...@autoartisans.com> > > >wrote: > > > > > >> Hi Todd, > > >> First of all that LCNC can run 8 head/spindle gang... machine has > > nothing > > >> to do with the subject line. > > >> > > >> And the grumble I often hear from people who have attempted or > > >> looked > > into > > >> LinuxCNC for their system is nicely summarized by your statement: > > >> > > >> " Linuxcnc isn't for everyone. The companies willing to support > > >> and > > hold > > >> the hand of a green noob who isn't interested in learning anything, > > charge > > >> accordingly." > > >> > > >> Or as generally interpreted by most: "F Off if you are a green > > >> noob and can't figure out LCNC or Linux" > > >> > > >> Personally I think the theme of the original post and conversation > > >> was > > how > > >> easy is it to create a turnkey system that runs Path Pilot on non > > Tormach > > >> Hardware. > > >> > > >> IMHO, a lot more people would be interested in LCNC if there was a > > simple > > >> easy to follow, step by step method of setting up a 4 axis mill. > > >> The menu's for setting up motors etc. in AXIS either for the > > >> parallel port (almost extinct) or the MESA boards is really good > > >> but doesn't go far enough. > > >> > > >> There are a few youtube videos out there that show how to select > > >> motors based on mass of the system and acme or ball screw or belt > reduction. > > But > > >> the learning curve is steep and is just easier with systems that > > >> are not LCNC. > > >> > > >> John > > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > > >> > From: Todd Zuercher [mailto:to...@pgrahamdunn.com] > > >> > Sent: January-24-23 11:45 AM > > >> > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > > >> > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Running PathPilot on non-Tormach > > >> > Machines > > >> > > > >> > I'd like see the retrofit CNC package on the market (other than > > >> Linuxcnc) that can run an 8 head/spindle gang > > >> > router, with individual Z axis and VFD control for each spindle. > > >> > I'm > > >> sorry but freedom of customization comes > > >> > at the cost of complexity. If you want the freedom to be able to > > >> use/run almost anything, you're going to > > >> > have to know something about both the hardware and software. You > > >> > want > > >> simple buy some simple 4 axis all > > >> > in one stepper box and plug it in. > > >> > > > >> > Linuxcnc isn't for everyone. The companies willing to support > > >> > and > > hold > > >> the hand of a green noob who isn't > > >> > interested in learning anything, charge accordingly. > > >> > > > >> > Todd Zuercher > > >> > P. Graham Dunn Inc. > > >> > 630 Henry Street > > >> > Dalton, Ohio 44618 > > >> > Phone: (330)828-2105ext. 2031 > > >> > > > >> > -----Original Message----- > > >> > From: John Dammeyer <jo...@autoartisans.com> > > >> > Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2023 1:39 PM > > >> > To: 'Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)' < > > emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > >> > > > >> > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Running PathPilot on non-Tormach > > >> > Machines > > >> > > > >> > [EXTERNAL EMAIL] Be sure links are safe. > > >> > > > >> > > From: Andy Pugh [mailto:bodge...@gmail.com] > > >> > > > On 24 Jan 2023, at 15:38, ken.stra...@sympatico.ca wrote: > > >> > > > > > >> > > > But seriously, in my opinion a major impediment to the > > >> > > > widescale adoption of LinuxCNC is the lack of an appealing and > intuitive UI. > > >> > > > > >> > > There are around 12 user interfaces. Are you saying that they > > >> > > are > > >> _all_ terrible? > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > I'll jump in on this one. They are _all_ great and they are _all_ > > >> terrible. > > >> > > > >> > Imagine your average home shop machinist. His kids are finally > > >> > out > > the > > >> door and he's at an income level > > >> > where he's got his lathe with a DRO and he just bought a small mill. > > He > > >> starts looking at CNC. > > >> > > > >> > At work and at home he uses Windows. And he's bought into the > > >> > free > > >> Fusion 360 con job for CAD/CAM and is > > >> > now looking at how to add CNC to his mill. > > >> > > > >> > OMG. What a hodge podge of systems. > > >> > > > >> > So he starts on the various groups looking for what is available > > >> including even AliExpress which has CNC boxes > > >> > for $300. > > >> > > > >> > Not having used CNC before and not knowing anyone local the > > >> > youtube > > >> videos become his other source of > > >> > information and education. The most interesting ones appear to > > >> > be > > ones > > >> with 10's of thousands of > > >> > subscribers that in fact are really long mostly to have multiple > > >> advertisers. But at the time he's not aware that > > >> > the videos are short on information, long on con for supporting > > >> > lots > > of > > >> advertising. > > >> > > > >> > IMHO, the more advertisements in really long videos the more > > >> > likely > > the > > >> poster is there to monetize than to > > >> > actually provide useful help. How interesting to watch a milling > > >> cutter for 2 minutes go back and forth > > >> > making chips. Oh, and now another advertisement. > > >> > > > >> > So someone on a forum recommends MESA. > > >> > > > >> > > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fstore > > .mesanet.com%2Findex.php%3F > > >> > > > >> > > route%3Dproduct%2Fproduct%26path%3D83_84%26product_id%3D215&data=05%7C > > 01%7Ctoddz%40pgra > > >> > hamdunn.com > > >> > > %7C040364ad9343477cf2fb08dafe3a6977%7C5758544c573f47cebee96c3e0806fb43 > > %7C0% > > >> > > > >> > > 7C0%7C638101824085494729%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiL > > CJQIjoiV2luMzIiL > > >> > > > >> > > CJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=QsuaNDdgukaAklsVBz > > raskOqkJrgDYP%2B7 > > >> > e9BcWa62nI%3D&reserved=0 > > >> > Hmm. Out of stock. And even if it were, there's no diagram like > > >> > the > > >> ACORN one. So no idea where to start... > > >> > > > >> > Oh but then someone suggests > > >> > > > >> > > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fstore > > .mesanet.com%2Findex.php%3F > > >> > > > >> > > route%3Dproduct%2Fproduct%26product_id%3D381%26search%3D7i92&data=05%7 > > C01%7Ctoddz%40pgra > > >> > hamdunn.com > > >> > > %7C040364ad9343477cf2fb08dafe3a6977%7C5758544c573f47cebee96c3e0806fb43 > > %7C0% > > >> > > > >> > > 7C0%7C638101824085494729%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiL > > CJQIjoiV2luMzIiL > > >> > > > >> > > CJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=lNSWiCwuqqIMsYjHAE > > fR9JqJAjsWNK9DeF > > >> > 9GsKztVJg%3D&reserved=0 > > >> > > > >> > Now I need to wire to it. A suggestion comes up for two of these > > >> > and > > >> cheap too. > > >> > > > >> > > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww. > > aliexpress.com%2Fitem%2F33 > > >> > 015669728.html&data=05%7C01%7Ctoddz%40pgrahamdunn.com > > >> %7C040364ad9343477cf2fb08dafe3a697 > > >> > > > >> > > 7%7C5758544c573f47cebee96c3e0806fb43%7C0%7C0%7C638101824085494729%7CUn > > known%7CTWFpb > > >> > > > >> > > GZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0 > > %3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7 > > >> > C&sdata=LclFcxiqe05h7ZMNmrFS3%2Fri1wQ7cRfBl1KFG0z51OQ%3D&reserved > > >> > =0 > > >> > > > >> > Next motors and power supplies. What to buy? People rave about > > >> > these > > >> new step-servos. One brand in > > >> > particular. But what size? Direct coupled or with belts and > pulleys? > > >> > > > >> > So back to the internet and youtube. Ah, this guy has a mill > > >> > like > > >> mine. He used the Leadshine step servos and > > >> > ACORN. Ordered, installed as per the youtube video. Making chips. > > >> > > > >> > And he doesn't have to wade through deciding which of _all_ 12 or > > >> > so > > >> LCNC user interfaces to use. > > >> > > > >> > The above is I think the typical thought processes. > > >> > > > >> > I'm still using AXIS. Can't be bothered to spend the time trying > > >> > to > > >> figure out whether I should spend $400 for a > > >> > touch screen HDMI 21" screen or some other user interface. > > >> > Really > > miss > > >> the MACROs from MACH3 though. I > > >> > think that's what's called the conversational interface on Tormach? > > >> > > > >> > John > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > _______________________________________________ > > >> > Emc-users mailing list > > >> > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > >> > > > >> > > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flist > > s.sourceforge.net%2Flists%2Flistin > > >> > fo%2Femc- > > >> > users&data=05%7C01%7Ctoddz%40pgrahamdunn.com > > >> %7C040364ad9343477cf2fb08dafe3a6977%7C57585 > > >> > > > >> > > 44c573f47cebee96c3e0806fb43%7C0%7C0%7C638101824085494729%7CUnknown%7CT > > WFpbGZsb3d8eyJ > > >> > > > >> > > WIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000 > > %7C%7C%7C&sdata=R3 > > >> > B7SVuYgzAgLRBVbhziV0q1g1QJi0lI1vbmlsoWvsA%3D&reserved=0 > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > _______________________________________________ > > >> > Emc-users mailing list > > >> > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > >> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Emc-users mailing list > > >> Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > >> > > > > > > > > >-- > > > > > >Chris Albertson > > >Redondo Beach, California > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Emc-users mailing list > > >Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Emc-users mailing list > > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > > > _______________________________________________ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > > > _______________________________________________ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > _______________________________________________ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
