Hi Todd,
First of all that LCNC can run 8 head/spindle gang... machine has nothing
to do with the subject line.
And the grumble I often hear from people who have attempted or looked into
LinuxCNC for their system is nicely summarized by your statement:
" Linuxcnc isn't for everyone. The companies willing to support and hold
the hand of a green noob who isn't interested in learning anything, charge
accordingly."
Or as generally interpreted by most: "F Off if you are a green noob and
can't figure out LCNC or Linux"
Personally I think the theme of the original post and conversation was how
easy is it to create a turnkey system that runs Path Pilot on non Tormach
Hardware.
IMHO, a lot more people would be interested in LCNC if there was a simple
easy to follow, step by step method of setting up a 4 axis mill. The
menu's for setting up motors etc. in AXIS either for the parallel port
(almost extinct) or the MESA boards is really good but doesn't go far
enough.
There are a few youtube videos out there that show how to select motors
based on mass of the system and acme or ball screw or belt reduction. But
the learning curve is steep and is just easier with systems that are not
LCNC.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Zuercher [mailto:to...@pgrahamdunn.com]
Sent: January-24-23 11:45 AM
To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Running PathPilot on non-Tormach Machines
I'd like see the retrofit CNC package on the market (other than
Linuxcnc) that can run an 8 head/spindle gang
router, with individual Z axis and VFD control for each spindle. I'm
sorry but freedom of customization comes
at the cost of complexity. If you want the freedom to be able to
use/run almost anything, you're going to
have to know something about both the hardware and software. You want
simple buy some simple 4 axis all
in one stepper box and plug it in.
Linuxcnc isn't for everyone. The companies willing to support and hold
the hand of a green noob who isn't
interested in learning anything, charge accordingly.
Todd Zuercher
P. Graham Dunn Inc.
630 Henry Street
Dalton, Ohio 44618
Phone: (330)828-2105ext. 2031
-----Original Message-----
From: John Dammeyer <jo...@autoartisans.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2023 1:39 PM
To: 'Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)' <emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Running PathPilot on non-Tormach Machines
[EXTERNAL EMAIL] Be sure links are safe.
From: Andy Pugh [mailto:bodge...@gmail.com]
On 24 Jan 2023, at 15:38, ken.stra...@sympatico.ca wrote:
But seriously, in my opinion a major impediment to the widescale
adoption of LinuxCNC is the lack of an appealing and intuitive UI.
There are around 12 user interfaces. Are you saying that they are
_all_ terrible?
I'll jump in on this one. They are _all_ great and they are _all_
terrible.
Imagine your average home shop machinist. His kids are finally out the
door and he's at an income level
where he's got his lathe with a DRO and he just bought a small mill. He
starts looking at CNC.
At work and at home he uses Windows. And he's bought into the free
Fusion 360 con job for CAD/CAM and is
now looking at how to add CNC to his mill.
OMG. What a hodge podge of systems.
So he starts on the various groups looking for what is available
including even AliExpress which has CNC boxes
for $300.
Not having used CNC before and not knowing anyone local the youtube
videos become his other source of
information and education. The most interesting ones appear to be ones
with 10's of thousands of
subscribers that in fact are really long mostly to have multiple
advertisers. But at the time he's not aware that
the videos are short on information, long on con for supporting lots of
advertising.
IMHO, the more advertisements in really long videos the more likely the
poster is there to monetize than to
actually provide useful help. How interesting to watch a milling
cutter for 2 minutes go back and forth
making chips. Oh, and now another advertisement.
So someone on a forum recommends MESA.
https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fstore.mesanet.com%2Findex.php%3F
route%3Dproduct%2Fproduct%26path%3D83_84%26product_id%3D215&data=05%7C01%7Ctoddz%40pgra
hamdunn.com
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e9BcWa62nI%3D&reserved=0
Hmm. Out of stock. And even if it were, there's no diagram like the
ACORN one. So no idea where to start...
Oh but then someone suggests
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Now I need to wire to it. A suggestion comes up for two of these and
cheap too.
https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.aliexpress.com%2Fitem%2F33
015669728.html&data=05%7C01%7Ctoddz%40pgrahamdunn.com
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Next motors and power supplies. What to buy? People rave about these
new step-servos. One brand in
particular. But what size? Direct coupled or with belts and pulleys?
So back to the internet and youtube. Ah, this guy has a mill like
mine. He used the Leadshine step servos and
ACORN. Ordered, installed as per the youtube video. Making chips.
And he doesn't have to wade through deciding which of _all_ 12 or so
LCNC user interfaces to use.
The above is I think the typical thought processes.
I'm still using AXIS. Can't be bothered to spend the time trying to
figure out whether I should spend $400 for a
touch screen HDMI 21" screen or some other user interface. Really miss
the MACROs from MACH3 though. I
think that's what's called the conversational interface on Tormach?
John
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