On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 21:13:54 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) <ras...@rasterman.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 20:00:28 +1000 David Seikel <onef...@gmail.com> > said: > > > On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 17:53:06 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) > > <ras...@rasterman.com> wrote: > > > > > On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 17:59:18 +1000 David Seikel > > > <onef...@gmail.com> said: > > > > > > > Simon even mentioned that it's his work system that has this > > > > problem. It's very likely that some company provided systems are > > > > locked down to specific versions of development tools for the > > > > companies own reasons. Say for instance to provide a common > > > > development environment for all the developers. He might not be > > > > allowed to upgrade automake. > > > > > > you dont need to be root to upgrade it. don't be silly. if you're > > > a developer you can happily upgrade automake all you like - as > > > long as whatever you want to upgrade doesn't need root privs > > > (setuid root for example), you can do it. > > > > I did not mention root. Could be "locked down" based on the boss > > saying "Thou shalt use version X, and only version X, on pain of > > being fired.". > > at which point they are not and cannot do development on e and efl, > so it's moot. if e and efl require it, and the persons JOB is to work > on e or efl, then the boss must relent. if it is not their job, then > any ability to work on e or efl is a luxury. > > if you have a boss that demands that as a developer you cannot > install a specific version of automake in your own homedir even > though it is a requirement and dealing with e and efl is part of your > job, it's an awesome signal to hand in a resignation right there and > then as you work at a place run by complete imbeciles. > > if its unrelated to work and you are permitted to hack on such things > anyway in spare time, on your company pc, then any boss that mandates > what you can and cant use when working on such "side projects" is an > imbecile, so time to quit too (if the alternative is being fired). > > if it's not allowed to work on such things in spare time - the > conversation is moot and u can't work on or use efl no matter what > version of automake you have. > > your point makes no sense. i've been in the industry for a long time - I've been in the industry longer than you, the world is a crazy place, I've seen crazy shit. When unemployment is high, and the world is in financial deep shit, some people value any job they can get, and will go along with the crazy shit to keep their crazy jobs with crazy bosses. Coz the alternative is worse. My point is, and always has been, that it's best to support old stuff if you can, especially commonly used old stuff like Ubuntu 10.04. Fair enough there are times when you can't support old stuff, but a lot of the time you can, but people wont. And no, I don't mean old stuff like CPM, DOS, or Linux 0.* kernels. Drawing the line at currently supported by their creator versions that are still popular makes sense to me. So yes, I'll rant against "just upgrade dammit" as much as I like. :-P BTW, I rant coz I care, and I see a lot of "just use this bleeding edge version", and a lot of "don't care about users that don't fit my world view", and I get a lot of "you are spouting silly nonsense" for my troubles. Guess I think a bit more about others than some do. :-P -- A big old stinking pile of genius that no one wants coz there are too many silver coated monkeys in the world.
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