On Tue, 20 Nov 2012 13:02:29 -0200 Lucas De Marchi <[email protected]> said:
> On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 12:45 PM, Carsten Haitzler <[email protected]> > wrote: > > On Tue, 20 Nov 2012 10:43:05 -0200 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri > > <[email protected]> said: > > > >> On Tuesday, November 20, 2012, Leif Middelschulte wrote: > >> > >> > Am Dienstag, 20. November 2012 um 02:43 schrieb Carsten Haitzler: > >> > > On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 12:35:18 -0200 Lucas De Marchi > >> > > <[email protected] <javascript:;> (mailto: > >> > [email protected] <javascript:;>)> said: > >> > > > >> > > i just tried adding "about enlightenment" and "restart enlightenment", > >> > "exit > >> > > enlightenment" and it's horrible text duplication - it looks awful and > >> > > repetitive. it's already under the enlightenment parent item - thus the > >> > topic > >> > > already is "enlightenment"... there's context. the on ly thing that > >> > makes sense > >> > > to change is "Theme" -> "About Theme" > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > How about connecting that dialog to a button in the theme configuration > >> > and remove its link from the main menu? > >> > >> > >> > >> I like this idea, the theme choose dialog could be bumped a bit and include > >> a screenshot object (EDC group) and also one about/authors, maybe link to > >> website. Another option is what I suggested before to make a single about > >> for theme and e > >> > >> As fit others (restart, exit): thinking again they sound too technical and > >> just useful during the development of e itself. I'd say remove it and keep > >> the keyboard actions. > > > > if there is just a keybinding, i literally will have to jump through a whole > > bunch of extra hoops with testing. when you use xpehyr you can kiss > > keybindings (and mousebindings) goodbye (without jumping through hoops). > > > > again - where are the actual issues users have had? > > humn... maybe this was just me. And I'd not claim to be an example of > user. I always felt this menu was weird/misplaced, but you never heard > about it because I never bothered to say a word ;-). Again, maybe > this is just me trying to think about a regular user sure - understood, but fyi - i use that menu every time i test e17 in xephyr. that menu i there because MOST wm's have that feature (desktops do not though and e is kind of half-way between), also the "about enlightenment" needs to go somewhere... because otherwise there is no sensible way for us to ask the user "what version of e do you have?" and for them to tell us (if you expect they know how to use a package manager to find out etc... then we expect a hell of a lot from "users"), other than that - it's a place to visibly list the people who have contributed to e17 - they deserve a bit of a spotlight, and from a legal point of view, it indicates in an accessible way to the user what e17's license is... well at least where to find it. actually it SHOULD literally have a copy of the license there - something i need to fix before full release. not to mention just about every app with a menu has an about box.. often help -> about ... so i don't see a usability issue with the about box. for the theme - you are right "theme" there was too uninformative - i've made it "about theme". also having something to configure theme from the theme about dialog was a good idea too. leifs idea of having a button from the theme config dialog to show the theme about seems just great to me - i like it, but that doesn't mean we REMOVE the theme about here... either way - it doesnt hurt to have it as long as that submenu still exists. if we cut it down to 1 item then a 1 item submenu just looks stupid... so we're down to "restart" and "exit". both of which i use relatively regularly during testing of e and the restart menu provides a discoverable way to restart e without knowing a magic keybinding, reading docs or going through a much longer list of keybindings in the gui config dialog... now.. if enlightenment should be an entry in the main menu or another level down or so - that is up for debate - but looking at the main menu, i just don't see anywhere nice and sensible for it... and it is just 1 entry - we're arguing over a single entry - it's not like we have 10 or 20 of them filling up the screen... so in summary - the menu is there for specific usability reasons - testing and wm features, as well as just needing a home for specific things like an about dialog entry... if this menu is actually causing user confusion - i'd like to see a bit more than 1 data point. like actual users going "help- i hit restart and i dont know what it does - i don't know what to do?" or "help - what is this about entry - it confuses me" etc. - if there are real problems then maybe we need to do some work to find a new home for it... but at this moment i can't see a home for it readily waiting... :) -- ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) [email protected] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Monitor your physical, virtual and cloud infrastructure from a single web console. 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