Ideas:
- About -> inside settings, doesn't need to be so highlighted as the main
menu. I'd say rename "settings" so we can use it for more than just that,
it's a place holder for other stuff of enlightenment.
- Restart/Exit E: again, this is just for E17 test, so bad for end-users.
I've mentioned Xephyr but indeed you might forget to grab and the shortcut
will go to outside E17 and problems will happen. What about doing it for
Everything? Then you see where you'll type the action and it's clear. You
can name them "e-restart" and "e-exit" commands.
In the mood of refactoring the menus... if we merge Enlightenment +
Settings (maybe call it Enlightenment?), we can remove the "Desktop" from
main menu as it's not as useful (menu to change desktop is not that common,
add/configure shelves and gadgets are more like configuration that you do
once a year, show/hide windows can go under Windows main menu entry).
As for "Windows" i dislike it and shouldn't be that useful... but the
"cleanup windows" and the action to recover lost windows are indeed
useful... but likely the DM should avoid losing the windows instead of add
them to a menu? Anyway, this one i see more reasoning to keep.
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 1:16 PM, Carsten Haitzler <[email protected]>wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Nov 2012 13:02:29 -0200 Lucas De Marchi
> <[email protected]> said:
>
> > On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 12:45 PM, Carsten Haitzler <[email protected]
> >
> > wrote:
> > > On Tue, 20 Nov 2012 10:43:05 -0200 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
> > > <[email protected]> said:
> > >
> > >> On Tuesday, November 20, 2012, Leif Middelschulte wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Am Dienstag, 20. November 2012 um 02:43 schrieb Carsten Haitzler:
> > >> > > On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 12:35:18 -0200 Lucas De Marchi
> > >> > > <[email protected] <javascript:;> (mailto:
> > >> > [email protected] <javascript:;>)> said:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > i just tried adding "about enlightenment" and "restart
> enlightenment",
> > >> > "exit
> > >> > > enlightenment" and it's horrible text duplication - it looks
> awful and
> > >> > > repetitive. it's already under the enlightenment parent item -
> thus the
> > >> > topic
> > >> > > already is "enlightenment"... there's context. the on ly thing
> that
> > >> > makes sense
> > >> > > to change is "Theme" -> "About Theme"
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >> > How about connecting that dialog to a button in the theme
> configuration
> > >> > and remove its link from the main menu?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> I like this idea, the theme choose dialog could be bumped a bit and
> include
> > >> a screenshot object (EDC group) and also one about/authors, maybe
> link to
> > >> website. Another option is what I suggested before to make a single
> about
> > >> for theme and e
> > >>
> > >> As fit others (restart, exit): thinking again they sound too
> technical and
> > >> just useful during the development of e itself. I'd say remove it and
> keep
> > >> the keyboard actions.
> > >
> > > if there is just a keybinding, i literally will have to jump through a
> whole
> > > bunch of extra hoops with testing. when you use xpehyr you can kiss
> > > keybindings (and mousebindings) goodbye (without jumping through
> hoops).
> > >
> > > again - where are the actual issues users have had?
> >
> > humn... maybe this was just me. And I'd not claim to be an example of
> > user. I always felt this menu was weird/misplaced, but you never heard
> > about it because I never bothered to say a word ;-). Again, maybe
> > this is just me trying to think about a regular user
>
> sure - understood, but fyi - i use that menu every time i test e17 in
> xephyr.
> that menu i there because MOST wm's have that feature (desktops do not
> though
> and e is kind of half-way between), also the "about enlightenment" needs
> to go
> somewhere... because otherwise there is no sensible way for us to ask the
> user
> "what version of e do you have?" and for them to tell us (if you expect
> they
> know how to use a package manager to find out etc... then we expect a hell
> of a
> lot from "users"), other than that - it's a place to visibly list the
> people
> who have contributed to e17 - they deserve a bit of a spotlight, and from a
> legal point of view, it indicates in an accessible way to the user what
> e17's
> license is... well at least where to find it. actually it SHOULD literally
> have
> a copy of the license there - something i need to fix before full release.
> not
> to mention just about every app with a menu has an about box.. often help
> ->
> about ... so i don't see a usability issue with the about box. for the
> theme -
> you are right "theme" there was too uninformative - i've made it "about
> theme".
> also having something to configure theme from the theme about dialog was a
> good
> idea too. leifs idea of having a button from the theme config dialog to
> show the theme about seems just great to me - i like it, but that doesn't
> mean we REMOVE the theme about here... either way - it doesnt hurt to have
> it as long as that submenu still exists. if we cut it down to 1 item then
> a 1
> item submenu just looks stupid... so we're down to "restart" and "exit".
> both
> of which i use relatively regularly during testing of e and the restart
> menu
> provides a discoverable way to restart e without knowing a magic
> keybinding,
> reading docs or going through a much longer list of keybindings in the gui
> config dialog...
>
> now.. if enlightenment should be an entry in the main menu or another level
> down or so - that is up for debate - but looking at the main menu, i just
> don't
> see anywhere nice and sensible for it... and it is just 1 entry - we're
> arguing
> over a single entry - it's not like we have 10 or 20 of them filling up the
> screen...
>
> so in summary - the menu is there for specific usability reasons - testing
> and
> wm features, as well as just needing a home for specific things like an
> about
> dialog entry... if this menu is actually causing user confusion - i'd like
> to
> see a bit more than 1 data point. like actual users going "help- i hit
> restart
> and i dont know what it does - i don't know what to do?" or "help - what
> is this
> about entry - it confuses me" etc. - if there are real problems then maybe
> we
> need to do some work to find a new home for it... but at this moment i
> can't
> see a home for it readily waiting... :)
>
> --
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