Excellent Orn - problem is work this bad gets through. One of the best educational philosophers came from NZ - David Stenhouse. Sadly what he railed against has been adopted as policy.
On 6 Sep, 12:06, ornamentalmind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://saintgasoline.com/comics/2007-04-04.JPG > > On Sep 6, 1:04 am, archytas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > There was a book called 'Deschooling America' forty-odd years ago. > > Ivan Illich and all. And there was a movement called the 'learning > > organisation'. My lectures (I don't really lecture - no one listens) > > on systems start with the idea that one is first using systems theory > > when you see the world through the eyes of another. I am now cynical > > enough to almost want to add 'which none of you bastards ever will' - > > and even worse 'you won't even open your own eyes'. I actually hold > > out more hope than this, but academe is now thoroughly corrupted. I'm > > beginning a different route, but still need to earn some corn from > > it. Much of the problem is that education has little to do with > > schools or universities - they are just part of a bigger nonsense. > > Orn is likely to be onto something with the term 'trance'. > > > On 5 Sep, 21:56, adrf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > It begins at school, sit still, do as told, copy from the textbook into > > > your excercise book > > > with teach playing judge, jury and hangman. BY the time they leave school > > > they've been numbed > > > into zombies. Kids cannot think unless wriggling and noisy. > > > adrian > > > > ornamentalmind wrote: > > > > "...I'm beginning to entertain the notion that the educated are our > > > > biggest contribution to social disaster..." - Adrian > > > > > Could be....and, training = training....memes = memes. Those > > > > susceptible to trance...are. > > > > > On Sep 5, 4:03 am, adrf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> Try this for size. > > > >> From http://www.newciv.org/ISSS_Primer/seminark.html > > > >> HINTZ PAGELS "We live in the wake of a physics revolution comparable > > > >> to the Copernican > > > >> demolition of the anthropocentric world > > > >> -- a revolution which began with the invention of the theory of > > > >> relativity and quantum > > > >> mechanics in the first decades of this century and which has left most > > > >> educated people behind" > > > >> AND: ""If you take a highly intelligent person and give them the best > > > >> possible, elite > > > >> education, then you will most likely wind up with an academic who is > > > >> completely impervious to > > > >> reality." Halton Arp > > > > >> I've got several more with similar sentiments. So it may be an > > > >> advantage to know no physics, > > > >> less clutter to put in the waste basket. I'm beginning to entertain > > > >> the notion that the > > > >> educated are our biggest contribution to social disaster. > > > > >> Nature abhors a vacuum, is Newton's worst contribution. There are no > > > >> vacuums at all. In an > > > >> infinite universe things can get quite tenously close to zero, but > > > >> never attain it. So Physics > > > >> habit of making their sums out as zero, is false to fact. It's > > > >> probably a generalisation based > > > >> on the Magdeburg experiment of vaccuuming two half globes and pulling > > > >> them apart with horses > > > >> which they could not. > > > > >> adrian > > > > >> archytas wrote: > > > >>> Nature abhors a vacuum; physicists are none too keen on it either. > > > >>> However, conceptual attempts to fill it up, most famously with ether > > > >>> as a hypothetical medium, have regularly created more problems than > > > >>> they solved. This is because whatever occupies empty space would have > > > >>> to be somehow different from the tangible stuff the world is made of. > > > >>> Modern physics challenges the ancient dichotomy between substance and > > > >>> void. What is perceived as empty space turns out to be a new kind of > > > >>> ether, a patchwork of quantum fields teeming with spontaneous > > > >>> activity, and the fundamental building block of nature. Subject to > > > >>> random disturbances, this “grid” creates stable packets of energy > > > >>> which, by dint of Einstein’s most famous discovery, expressed in the > > > >>> equation E=mc2, account for the mass of ordinary matter. > > > >>> Wilczek draws on recent developments in the special theory of > > > >>> relativity, quantum field theory and quantum chromodynamics to probe > > > >>> the origin of mass and the prospects for a unified theory that would > > > >>> account for all its seemingly disparate aspects. “The Lightness of > > > >>> Being” began as a series of public lectures given by the author at > > > >>> different institutions. Not the easiest read, this book does cover > > > >>> the ground about to be tested at CERN. I’ll see if I can find a > > > >>> sensible review I can codge into the basic claims about more recent > > > >>> work. I am not and never have been a physicist. This collection of > > > >>> papers did help me understand more than I have in the past. > > > >>> On 5 Sep, 09:35, archytas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >>>> I do, in some senses, believe we are waiting for 'things to pop up'. > > > >>>> Travel in the solar system may be fantastic in engineering terms, yet > > > >>>> also reveals how limted we still are against concepton of vastness. > > > >>>> Metaphors are subject to manifold interpretation as Carlos points to. > > > >>>> Even the most studied research leaves us with approximation in our > > > >>>> theories (Ludwig - horrible to read). CERN cranks over in the next > > > >>>> few days and will no doubt conclusively prove we need a bigger home > > > >>>> for the bouys and girls playing in it. > > > >>>> On 4 Sep, 19:34, Georges Metanomski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:- Hide > > > >>>> quoted text - > > > >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Epistemology" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/epistemology?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
