There was a book called 'Deschooling America' forty-odd years ago. Ivan Illich and all. And there was a movement called the 'learning organisation'. My lectures (I don't really lecture - no one listens) on systems start with the idea that one is first using systems theory when you see the world through the eyes of another. I am now cynical enough to almost want to add 'which none of you bastards ever will' - and even worse 'you won't even open your own eyes'. I actually hold out more hope than this, but academe is now thoroughly corrupted. I'm beginning a different route, but still need to earn some corn from it. Much of the problem is that education has little to do with schools or universities - they are just part of a bigger nonsense. Orn is likely to be onto something with the term 'trance'.
On 5 Sep, 21:56, adrf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It begins at school, sit still, do as told, copy from the textbook into your > excercise book > with teach playing judge, jury and hangman. BY the time they leave school > they've been numbed > into zombies. Kids cannot think unless wriggling and noisy. > adrian > > > > ornamentalmind wrote: > > "...I'm beginning to entertain the notion that the educated are our > > biggest contribution to social disaster..." - Adrian > > > Could be....and, training = training....memes = memes. Those > > susceptible to trance...are. > > > On Sep 5, 4:03 am, adrf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Try this for size. > >> From http://www.newciv.org/ISSS_Primer/seminark.html > >> HINTZ PAGELS "We live in the wake of a physics revolution comparable to > >> the Copernican > >> demolition of the anthropocentric world > >> -- a revolution which began with the invention of the theory of relativity > >> and quantum > >> mechanics in the first decades of this century and which has left most > >> educated people behind" > >> AND: ""If you take a highly intelligent person and give them the best > >> possible, elite > >> education, then you will most likely wind up with an academic who is > >> completely impervious to > >> reality." Halton Arp > > >> I've got several more with similar sentiments. So it may be an advantage > >> to know no physics, > >> less clutter to put in the waste basket. I'm beginning to entertain the > >> notion that the > >> educated are our biggest contribution to social disaster. > > >> Nature abhors a vacuum, is Newton's worst contribution. There are no > >> vacuums at all. In an > >> infinite universe things can get quite tenously close to zero, but never > >> attain it. So Physics > >> habit of making their sums out as zero, is false to fact. It's probably a > >> generalisation based > >> on the Magdeburg experiment of vaccuuming two half globes and pulling them > >> apart with horses > >> which they could not. > > >> adrian > > >> archytas wrote: > >>> Nature abhors a vacuum; physicists are none too keen on it either. > >>> However, conceptual attempts to fill it up, most famously with ether > >>> as a hypothetical medium, have regularly created more problems than > >>> they solved. This is because whatever occupies empty space would have > >>> to be somehow different from the tangible stuff the world is made of. > >>> Modern physics challenges the ancient dichotomy between substance and > >>> void. What is perceived as empty space turns out to be a new kind of > >>> ether, a patchwork of quantum fields teeming with spontaneous > >>> activity, and the fundamental building block of nature. Subject to > >>> random disturbances, this “grid” creates stable packets of energy > >>> which, by dint of Einstein’s most famous discovery, expressed in the > >>> equation E=mc2, account for the mass of ordinary matter. > >>> Wilczek draws on recent developments in the special theory of > >>> relativity, quantum field theory and quantum chromodynamics to probe > >>> the origin of mass and the prospects for a unified theory that would > >>> account for all its seemingly disparate aspects. “The Lightness of > >>> Being” began as a series of public lectures given by the author at > >>> different institutions. Not the easiest read, this book does cover > >>> the ground about to be tested at CERN. I’ll see if I can find a > >>> sensible review I can codge into the basic claims about more recent > >>> work. I am not and never have been a physicist. This collection of > >>> papers did help me understand more than I have in the past. > >>> On 5 Sep, 09:35, archytas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>>> I do, in some senses, believe we are waiting for 'things to pop up'. > >>>> Travel in the solar system may be fantastic in engineering terms, yet > >>>> also reveals how limted we still are against concepton of vastness. > >>>> Metaphors are subject to manifold interpretation as Carlos points to. > >>>> Even the most studied research leaves us with approximation in our > >>>> theories (Ludwig - horrible to read). CERN cranks over in the next > >>>> few days and will no doubt conclusively prove we need a bigger home > >>>> for the bouys and girls playing in it. > >>>> On 4 Sep, 19:34, Georges Metanomski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:- Hide > >>>> quoted text - > >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Epistemology" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/epistemology?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
