Goodie, old to you, new to me. ce'st la vie. Takes a while to perculate around. 
Knew Systems 
Theory, but this is a fresh use of it. I like Flemming Funch attempting to 
provide others with 
a purpose and that's what the new paradigm is into. Some want to design a new 
culture but it 
has to co-create itself self-organisingly to suit our liquorice all sorts 
humanity. All futures 
lack shape.

I dreamt last night summing it as art is Ambiguation. It started with an artist 
changing a cube 
into a distorted oblong and that again into another shape, when it popped up 
that art is, I 
forget the label, and then went into a tiki tour of many kinds of art to end up 
with 
ambiguation which is pure creativity. Yes, of course some of it is useful and 
some not at all. 
That's the way the cookie crumbles. Hebrew Kabalah has that wordplay by using 
the numbers 
values of letters, I forget the label, done that over yonks ago, old hat now.

There's another one behind this. I hold to serendipity, whether guided by 
aetheric spirits or 
our own mind, no difference there. For a while I've been bored with the 
repetition of our 
lives, controlled by manic politics who want us all the same, the easier to 
manipulate us. 
That's not going to keep going soon enough. There's another one behind that me 
wanting to 
understand how the world works, I do now and as I am a freak into learning or 
evolving, take 
your pick, it took me forty years or thereabouts to bag that lot. So what's 
next? I sure hope 
it's not yogic nirvana or Zen's eating rice, wash bowl. Ok so Zen stops us from 
not going like 
Georges who in his own fashion is still but another parrot. It's not useful to 
call folks 
asinine crap tsunamis. It gets them irritated, though not in my case, haha. If 
Georges would 
stop crapping on parrots, proving them wrong and do something original, etcccc. 
If he was in a 
monastery they'd probably put him to dish washing or gardening. He's creative, 
well some, 
sorry, but lacks enough nous.
        In a way that's how Jung found when helping his patients re-script 
their psyche, which he made 
them draw in mandalas. The mandalas disappeared into zilch and re-emerged in a 
new form. 
Eastern sand drawings are mandalas. This newly emergent insight shows us it's 
an infinite point 
that can radiate out into all manner of dimensions, oops forms. In my dream, 
among other 
things, is buried an intent to find a listing of the qualities or attributes of 
the so-called 
object. Cannot be done, it's infinite. And yes, if you want to distinguish 
what's useful that 
again is playing goodies and baddies as it has to suit and serve a society at 
large which again 
sounds like having to be managed by wiseacres. I dunno but don't like that 
much. My view is 
that running a society has to think globally and act locally at a same time as 
we need internet 
etc blahh, although quite changed from how it works now. I sure won't go like 
Georges, blasting 
anything which cannot play his games. Peeved because no playmates in his 
sandpit.  What the 
object being infinite implies is that what is claimed for the aliens that they 
can peer into 
past and future is they know the algorithm for it and bingo. There's a scene in 
E.E. Smith, aka 
Paul Linebarger, Lensmen series where he makes an Arisian do that.As a whole 
it's his 
interpretation of how evolution works.

Some of this we can do this in graphics geometrically or psychedelically. When 
I was initiated 
by a Lama, their request, not mine. I went to their ?party", wandered around 
aimlessly. In 
storms lala and hangers on, up the stairs. That's It, I thought it won't 
happen. Went into the 
kitchen for another fruitjuice. The ceiling opened up, Lama drops down, makes 
mudras, mumbles 
mantras; So the Geshe who invited me stands there and smiles at me. So I left. 
Every now and 
then the Lama has a psychic peek at me. Has not for a while now.

Yonks ago I tried to teach creativity, got blocked. Got blocked a lot in my 
life, so pleased 
it's going to change at last. I've been working on it more than a couple of 
Centuries. Val 
whatever her name, has it that re-incarnation comes in two kinds, 1 is psychic 
and well 
equipped to be successful. They remember past lives. 2 Others like my ilk, 
don't know any past 
lives, working on a next level, aka avatars, knocking new pathways in the 
aether or plasma
levels. If I had not got excited and mentioned it, this would not have happened.

adrian






archytas wrote:
> That link is rather old Adrain - and contains a lot of the stuff I
> teach to students who show some desire to move beyond learning some
> flip rhetorics or regurgitation.  Zero sums in physics are based on
> assumptions, much as one can construct business spreadsheets around
> them - sometimes they are only helpful in letting you know something
> about the assumptions is wrong.  This doesn't absolve us from
> recognising some of this kind of work has practical uses and works
> better than Sooty's magic wand.  Anything goes rapidly descends into
> any crap will do, which it won't.  If there is one key lesson in
> systems theories it is that complex systems are difficult to predict,
> along with the social fact that we keep needing to re-learn this
> lesson.  Most people will need a discovery that bacteria are festering
> away somewhere on Europa to realise life didn't start on Earth.  One
> of my questions on systems ask students to work out what impact a
> gadget that would make water into an oxidising agent would have - some
> can't even foresee detergent factories closing, others can throw out
> very inventive scenarios.  Try getting people to consider whether
> incest is wrong when there is no need for any progeny from sex.  There
> are still some good reasons, but most won't get to them in the
> emotional spill.  We have already created an educated cadre with no
> integrity beyond its own interests.  This may well be because ordinary
> life is something to be avoided if you can - a sump one is motivated
> to leave behind or stay out of.
> 
> On 5 Sep, 12:03, adrf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Try this for size.
>>  From    http://www.newciv.org/ISSS_Primer/seminark.html
>> HINTZ PAGELS "We live in the wake of a physics revolution comparable to the 
>> Copernican
>> demolition of the anthropocentric world
>> -- a revolution which began with the invention of the theory of relativity 
>> and quantum
>> mechanics in the first decades of this century and which has left most 
>> educated people behind"
>> AND: ""If you take a highly intelligent person and give them the best 
>> possible, elite
>> education, then you will most likely wind up with an academic who is 
>> completely impervious to
>> reality." Halton Arp
>>
>> I've got several more with similar sentiments. So it may be an advantage to 
>> know no physics,
>> less clutter to put in the waste basket. I'm beginning to entertain the 
>> notion that the
>> educated are our biggest contribution to social disaster.
>>
>> Nature abhors a vacuum, is Newton's worst contribution. There are no vacuums 
>> at all. In an
>> infinite universe things can get quite tenously close to zero, but never 
>> attain it. So Physics
>> habit of making their sums out as zero, is false to fact. It's probably a 
>> generalisation based
>> on the Magdeburg experiment of vaccuuming two half globes and pulling them 
>> apart with horses
>> which they could not.
>>
>> adrian
>>
>>
>>
>> archytas wrote:
>>> Nature abhors a vacuum; physicists are none too keen on it either.
>>> However, conceptual attempts to fill it up, most famously with ether
>>> as a hypothetical medium, have regularly created more problems than
>>> they solved. This is because whatever occupies empty space would have
>>> to be somehow different from the tangible stuff the world is made of.
>>> Modern physics challenges the ancient dichotomy between substance and
>>> void. What is perceived as empty space turns out to be a new kind of
>>> ether, a patchwork of quantum fields teeming with spontaneous
>>> activity, and the fundamental building block of nature. Subject to
>>> random disturbances, this “grid” creates stable packets of energy
>>> which, by dint of Einstein’s most famous discovery, expressed in the
>>> equation E=mc2, account for the mass of ordinary matter.
>>> Wilczek draws on recent developments in the special theory of
>>> relativity, quantum field theory and quantum chromodynamics to probe
>>> the origin of mass and the prospects for a unified theory that would
>>> account for all its seemingly disparate aspects.  “The Lightness of
>>> Being” began as a series of public lectures given by the author at
>>> different institutions.  Not the easiest read, this book does cover
>>> the ground about to be tested at CERN.  I’ll see if I can find a
>>> sensible review I can codge into the basic claims about more recent
>>> work.  I am not and never have been a physicist.  This collection of
>>> papers did help me understand more than I have in the past.
>>> On 5 Sep, 09:35, archytas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>> I do, in some senses, believe we are waiting for 'things to pop up'.
>>>> Travel in the solar system may be fantastic in engineering terms, yet
>>>> also reveals how limted we still are against concepton of vastness.
>>>> Metaphors are subject to manifold interpretation as Carlos points to.
>>>> Even the most studied research leaves us with approximation in our
>>>> theories (Ludwig - horrible to read).  CERN cranks over in the next
>>>> few days and will no doubt conclusively prove we need a bigger home
>>>> for the bouys and girls playing in it.
>>>> On 4 Sep, 19:34, Georges Metanomski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:- Hide 
>>>> quoted text -
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