There has been much discussion of 'the empty space' and how it is filled in theatre. Our science guess is that empty is only a statistical average for space itself. The chronic silence at the beginning in group work is often explained as existential anxiety. The silence of Chaz in the group from which he was excluded is not the bliss I was never expecting it to be. Yet the silence of our now excluded neighbours (not really silence as our excellent Bulgarian new neighbours have two splendidly polite, boisterous sons) is golden. Is it silence that makes noise distinct? Probably not when one thinks of signal to noise ratio. The discourse analysts (how splendid it might be to hear Georges mocking them) raise much pedantry about silence and whole logics can be constructed from joining words - a whole and dismal modality. Carlos is into poetics, something that can link Wittgenstein to Hamlet and make the Tractatus a poem, for logic it is not.
Some find splendour in Romeo and Juliet, where I find only a miserable tale of sickening narcissism and pining adolescents stuck in gonad-led culture I would silence by the sword if not led to anguish by brutal noise. Deadwood (the modern Sky western) is so much better. It is laughable to think language separates us from animals (partly as they clearly use it), when its main use is as noise, including its silence. One wonders, Carlos, how much noise we have to make to regain the silence of action, that which makes language irrelevant because we can articulate action and need have nothing to say? Words and drawings come as I try to explain but are absent, silent, unseen in my thinking. As I look and hear the media cacophony things are not much different - there is only a signal under the noise of what that renders to silence and some small consolation I am too old to be packed off to the wars and rat-race of feeding time at the Establishment Zoo. Economics, in the current German phrase, 'has fucked us off a cliff'. Once one could do this (jump off a cliff) in the silent consideration of relativity. In these dark and noisy days a band will strike up as we shuffle silently to our fate decided in the noise of others, all because we could not insist on the silent paper of free speech, the view not already coloured-in. On 17 Oct, 14:42, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > Strangely I had just posted this in Miknd's Eye (the 'k' is silent). > > My new play, 'Waiting For the Google Fix' is complete and waiting for > a West End début. A hectic tale of drugs and disappointment, the > whole 4 hours is spent in observation of the silence between two old > codgers on depressant medication waiting for their old mate Google to > turn up and help them turn their laptops on ... > Neil - Old Codger 1 > Orn - The Elder Old Codger > Missing mate - Jacques Derrida's Corpse > The audience will be 'held captive' and come to believe the whole > thing a great gas. > Gas Provider - Jenkins' Pharmaceuticals > Health and Safety - Burke and Hare > Stunts - The Zimmers > Reviews: > 'A classic of the postmodern genre. Archytas' wit is constantly > deferred. On waking the headache and stomach pain can only be > explained as post-traumatic belly-laughter'. (Artyfloss McClaque - > Daily Herald) > 'Missing this will be like having all your teeth drawn - which is > what > will happen if you do'. Mafia Express. > > We refer, in language, to 'the silent treatment'. > > On 13 Oct, 23:56, einseele <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Hi Orn, > > Silence is the most important component of language > > And silence from chazwin as he sent, is also significant > > > But I'm afraid there is misunderstanding about what silence is in > > language > > All in language is about separation, its elemnts are of pure > > difference, the only attribute of lets say letter A is its difference > > with letter B and with all the rest, > > > There is silence "in between". It is that component which permits you > > to know the specific sequence, where a word begins, and where ends > > When you face an unknown language that silence is the challenge, you > > learn a new language when you get the difference between words, tones, > > expressions, context etc. > > That difference is made of silence. Otherwise you perceive the unknow > > as a noise. > > > On 13 out, 13:30, nominal9 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I don't know... einseele.... > > > Your arguement doesn't seem to hold all that much "water" for > > > me....Silence, when it comes to language, would appear to me to be the > > > absence of any signification whatsoever... Whereas I concede "code" is > > > significant because it relies on "spacing" or an some sort of On/Off > > > relationship... each of which is established to be significant in and > > > of itself.... but language... without any language?.... I don't quite > > > see it... the Metaphor or Analogy doesn't hold, I don't think. > > > nominal9 > > > > On Oct 2, 9:07 am, einseele <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > This group is lately almost silent > > > > My subject is linguistics, so I will take advantage of this silence to > > > > point the obvious, which is usually not so clear. > > > > > When talking, in any language, there is always a silent portion/ > > > > segment, words, letters, sentences, need that silence to identify > > > > itselves. > > > > > Also when we write. Silence when we write is represented by "empty" > > > > space. > > > > > There is empty space in all cases, or silence. Being perhaps the most > > > > important component of language. > > > > > Even if I write: > > > > > thisgroupislatelyalmostsilentmysubjectislinguisticssoiwilltakeadvantageofth > > > > issilencetopointtheobviouswhichisusuallynotsoclear > > > > > Even so, to convey any meaning the reader will add "missing" "empty" > > > > space to the above, which is the first sentence of this post. > > > > > Silence, empty space, or whatever instance this represents, conveys > > > > meaning. It is not null, but empty. This means that in language, > > > > emptiness is treated the same way as any positive sign. > > > > > As in computer science as well, where the sign "0" represents the > > > > absence of a material dot. > > > > Binary systems need 2 values and curiously, the first is "0" > > > > > That absence has no lesser status that any other sign, and more than > > > > that is needed as part of the system. > > > > > If this is valid to language, and there are a lot of languages (also > > > > not human), why should be any different in Physics, or Nature, or > > > > Chemistry, whatever. > > > > > It is hard to see out there knowledge approaches talking about > > > > emptiness in this sense, there are examples of course. Poetry for > > > > instance, and many other. > > > > > rgds- Ocultar texto das mensagens anteriores - > > > > - Mostrar texto das mensagens anteriores - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Epistemology" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/epistemology?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
