This is purely philosophical---before time, there was time--otherwise "the period before time began" would not have been there!. Because a period denotes time.
On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 5:38 PM, Robert <[email protected]> wrote: > In a sense, one can argue that the beginning of time was the beginning > of everything. > But that is because semantically, we identify "beginning" with time. > Therefore, by definition, nothing can have happened before time began. > > But conceptually, we can say that if time began, then something must > have caused time to begin. > So even though technically there was no "before" time, > the initiation of time must have happened "before" time began. > > We should not get caught up in the semantics. > > If we accept that the universe has order and structure, then we must > accept that there is some organizing principle underlying that order > and structure. > > That organizing principle can be likened to a molecule of DNA. > Let's use human DNA as our analogy. > > DNA is not the human. It is the coded instruction set for > "building" (so to speak) a human body. > Within that coded instruction set is the organizing principle that > results in the human body. > > In a similar manner, we can discern that there must be a coded > instruction set, > we might liken it to a computer program, that organizes the cosmos. > > But just as DNA is not a human body, so also we can reasonably assume > that the > organizing principle is not the same as the "finished product," the > cosmos. > The organizing principle would be as different from the cosmos as DNA > is from a human body. > > The organizing principle need not obey the laws of cause and effect, > the laws of sequence, the laws of time. > Indeed, even human logic itself is encoded in the principle, and > therefore > the organizing principle is not subject to, not subordinate to, > the human intellect. > > We can only conclude then, that we have utterly no method of ever > understanding the > organizing principle unless certain conditions are met: > > The organizing principle is intelligent and purposeful. > It reveals itself to us, at least in part. > It bestows on us the capacity to understand what it reveals to us. > > If this sounds like theology, it is because it deals with ultimates > and absolutes. > But it also shows us that while ultimates and absolutes are forever > beyond the ken of the human mind, > it is entirely reasonable to propose that there is an ineffable > essence to all reality, and that it is entirely reasonable to > attribute intelligence and purpose to it (after all, these exist in > our finite beings). > > All of which impose upon us one critical attribute for which each of > us must strive--- > humility. > ----------------------------------------- > > On Apr 19, 5:42 am, awori achoka <[email protected]> wrote: > > A particle of what? In what context did it exist---in a timeless context? > My > > argument is that---everything began at a point--a point of time. First > there > > was time then an event---the event was the beginning. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 11:13 PM, Robert <[email protected]> wrote: > > > In the beginning there was a primordial point particle. > > > This was BEFORE there was time, space and energy. > > > ---------------------------------- > > > > > On Apr 17, 10:06 am, awori achoka <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > For the sake of debate----in the beginning there was time and then > space > > > and > > > > energy followed. 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