Absolutly.
I was confused by John's comment "IA's can only inspect, they can't do any actual work..."
I suspect he got tong-tied. As much as I hate it I have to work and inspect. And yes, strange as it seems, I can write off my own work.
Bill
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Subject: RE: [COUPERS-TECH] TSO'd vs Non TSO'd instruments: another view
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:13:22 -0600 (MDT)
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>John and all,
>
>I'm not trying to flame you here, but your information is not correct.
>
>An IA not only can, but in many cases, must perform the work. Also, an
>I.A. must hold an A&P since eligibilty for becoming an IA requires that:
>
>"The applicant must hold a current mechanic's
>certificate, with airframe and powerplant ratings, that has
>been in effect for at least three years. The applicant must
>have been actively engaged in maintaining certificated
>aircraft for at least the two-year period before applying."
>
>
>"PRIVILEGES OF AN IA.
>A. When exercising the privileges of an IA, the holder
>may:
> Inspect and approve for return to service major
>repairs and major alterations, if the work was done
>according to technical data approved by the
>Administrator
> Perform an annual inspection
> Perform or supervise a progressive inspection"
>
>(This is all straight out of 8300.10 CHG 12 Chapter 26 & 27.)
>
>Just thought this needed to be cleared up.
>
>Tom
>
>
>
>
>
> > ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before following any
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> >
> >
> >> My understanding is that work on a non structural panel, such as
> >> installing radios, requires only a log book entry and recording of the
> >> new weight and balance data by an AI.
> >
> > If there's no 337 involved, an IA is not necessary. (In fact, technically
> > an IA cannot sign it off. An A&P is required. Since most if not all IA's
> > are also A&P's, it's pretty much a semantic issue, but the signer must
> > sign
> > it off as an A&P.) IA's can only inspect, they can't do any actual
> > work...
> > ;)
> >
> > John Cooper, A&P
> >
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> >
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> >
> > 4996 Delaware Tnpk
> >
> > Rensselaerville, NY 12147
> >
> > 518 797-3064
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> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Dan Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 7:29 AM
> >> To: Ctech
> >> Subject: Re: [COUPERS-TECH] TSO'd vs Non TSO'd instruments: another view
> >>
> >> ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before following
> >> any
> >> advice in this forum.]----
> >>
> >>
> >> I think some of the confusion may be between the work that the aircraft
> >> owner can do as preventative maintenance, the work that an AI can sign
> >> off with a log book entry as a minor change, and the major work that
> >> requires a 337 or FAA field approval. This is a seperate issue from the
> >> TSO vs non TSO'd instruments.
> >>
> >> My understanding is that work on a non structural panel, such as
> >> installing radios, requires only a log book entry and recording of the
> >> new weight and balance data by an AI.
> >>
> >> Dan Brown
> >>
> >>
> >> John Roach wrote:
> >>
> >> > ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before following
> >> > any advice in this forum.]----
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Lynn.
> >> > Another view of the TSO puzzle from Bill Biggs. See below
> >> >
> >> > John Roach
> >> > N 2427H
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > RE: [COUPERS-TECH] Answers Re: TSO/Non-TSO
> >> >
> >> > WILLIAM BIGGS
> >> > Fri, 12 Jan 2007 06:08:23 -0800
> >> >
> >> > "5) You may not even need a 337. Those forms address the
> >> > installation process, NOT the radio itself, and are only needed at all
> >> > IF the installation involves a "major structural change." Putting the
> >> > radio into an existing hole, or hanging it beneath the panel does NOT
> >> > need a 337. Similarly, if you're putting a new antenna into an
> >> > existing antenna mount location, its not a "major structural change,"
> >> > therefore no 337 needed. "
> >> >
> >> > Not true. Example: If you change from your cessna radio to a Michael.
> >> > It goes in exactly the same location but we all know they require a
> >> > 337. Hanging an additional radio beneath the panel constitutes a
> >> > change in weight and ballance however small and must be recorded.
> >> >
> >> > 337s now require a provision for "continued airworthiness." Anything
> >> > that is not in the airframe or engine specifications that is added or
> >> > changed constitutes a major alteration unless specifically excluded in
> >> > part 43.1.
> >> >
> >> > The following is considered preventative maint and is allowed but only
> >> > of the EXACT type:
> >> >
> >> > (31) Removing and replacing self-contained, front instrument
> >> > panel-mounted navigation and communication devices that employ
> >> > tray-mounted connectors that connect the unit when the unit is
> >> > installed into the instrument panel, (excluding automatic flight
> >> > control systems, transponders, and microwave frequency distance
> >> > measuring equipment (DME)). The approved unit must be
> >> > designed to be readily and repeatedly removed and replaced, and
> >> > pertinent instructions must be provided. Prior to the unit's intended
> >> > use, and operational check must be performed in accordance with the
> >> > applicable sections of part 91 of this chapter.
> >> > (32) Updating self-contained, front instrument panel-mounted Air
> >> > Traffic Control (ATC) navigational software data bases (excluding
> >> > those of automatic flight control systems, transponders, and microwave
> >> > frequency distance measuring equipment (DME)) provided no disassembly
> >> > of the unit is required and pertinent instructions are provided. Prior
> >> > to the unit's intended use, an operational check must be performed in
> >> > accordance with applicable sections of part 91 of this chapter.
> >> >
> >> > Appendix A
> >> >
> >> > Sec. A43.1
> >> >
> >> > (a) /Major alterations/--
> >> > (1) /Airframe major alterations./ Alterations of the following parts
> >> > and alterations of the following types, _when not listed in the
> >> > aircraft specifications issued by the FAA_, are airframe major
> >> > alterations:
> >> >
> >> > Bill
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before following
> >> >> any advice in this forum.]----
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Hey Gang: Some time ago we had a discussion about TSO'd and non
> >> >> TSO'd instrument requirements. As I remember, one of our group came
> >> >> up with the FAA paragraph's that specifically spelled out the use of
> >> >> those items. I saved the message, but unfortunately for me, my
> >> >> computer bombed last fall, and I lost all of the saved messages
> >> >> before then.
> >> >> I have reviewed most of last years Tech messages, and did not
> >> >> find what I was looking for. Does anyone have the answer? I know
> >> >> there was considerable discussion about radios. but I am specifically
> >> >> concerned about instruments.
> >> >> Lynn
> >> >>
> >> >>
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