There has been talk about how superior an artificial horizon is to the old turn and bank. However, I stick by my original treatise: needle ball and airspeed is the most reliable last resort technique and a turn and bank is superior to an artificial horizon. It is a simple, primitive gyro: very reliable and even cheap. Anyone who has ever spun a plane with an artificial horizon knows how useless it becomes once its limits are exceeded. "Is the plane upside down or is it just the gyro?" is not a question to be pondering in the clouds.
John Cooper Skyport Services 4996 Delaware Tnpk Rensselaerville, NY 12147 518 797-3064 www.skyportservices.net _____ From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jerry Eichenberger Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 11:29 AM To: David Winters; 'heavensounds'; 'James B. Brennan'; 'Hartmut Beil' Cc: 'robertbartunek'; [email protected] Subject: RE: [ercoupe-tech] Re: VFR Cloud busters Dave - Are you sure you cannot practice, and log it, IFR approaches using the Garmin, as long as performed in VMC with an appropriate safety pilot? If not, why not? Jerry E. -----Original Message----- From: David Winters [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 11:04 AM To: 'heavensounds'; 'James B. Brennan'; 'Hartmut Beil'; 'Jerry Eichenberger' Cc: 'robertbartunek'; [email protected] Subject: RE: [ercoupe-tech] Re: VFR Cloud busters Just for practice, I hung my handheld Garmin 296 GPS in an IFR rated aircraft, got a right-seat lookout, and flew some practive localizer approaches using ONLY the handheld GPS (keeping the localizer receiver tuned as back-up.) The Garmin handheld gave me more precise performance than the actual localizer reciever and indicator. The approach was a snap. Of course, the Garmin may have been having an especially good day. But, I think that if I input the right vertical nav parameters, it probably would even display my proper localizer descent for me, which the conventional receiver could never do. It's really too bad that we cannot use these to log practice instrument approaches with an instructor. It would really be a big money saver, and would be more effective than a simulator, it seems to me. Dave -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of heavensounds Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 8:20 PM To: James B. Brennan; Hartmut Beil; Jerry Eichenberger Cc: robertbartunek; [email protected] Subject: Re: [ercoupe-tech] Re: VFR Cloud busters I think the refresh / update rate of 1 sec of the 196, 296 and 396 could be a problem for using those as panel in IMC. Only the 496 and 495 have a faster rate. Just MHO. I could be wrong and won't mind being corrected. Eliacim ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Eichenberger To: James B. Brennan <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ; Hartmut Beil <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: robertbartunek <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ; ercoupe-tech@ <mailto:[email protected]> yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 1:55 PM Subject: RE: [ercoupe-tech] Re: VFR Cloud busters Wouldn't a single Garmin handheld that has the psuedo gyro panel do all of that, at less cost, and about 50 pounds less weight? And less cost, in total, too? Jerry E. -----Original Message----- From: ercoupe-tech@ <mailto:[email protected]> yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of James B. Brennan Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 2:31 PM To: Hartmut Beil Cc: robertbartunek; ercoupe-tech@ <mailto:[email protected]> yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ercoupe-tech] Re: VFR Cloud busters I had a turn & bank in my 415-C... the gyro was worn out - the needle kind of flicked side to side like the pendulum of a clock (but upside-down, of course) and the ball went nowhere (it's an Ercoupe w/o peddles), so I put in an artificial horizon and a directional gyro (the manifold pressure gauge - a left-over from when it had a Beech adjustable prop decades ago - went, too). With the compass, DG, and two Garmin 96Cs, I have four instruments for telling heading from the other way and one to tell me which side is up and so four to tell me if I'm headed up or down. I hope I've got it covered. Soon to have two glove box doors for the art deco look as well. Jim Beach Brennan
