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From: Lightning Bear [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 10:24 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Fw: Re: [ercoupe-tech] Restriction on Private Pilots Certificate
[email protected]
--- On Tue, 1/27/09, Lightning Bear <[email protected]> wrote:
From: Lightning Bear <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [ercoupe-tech] Restriction on Private Pilots Certificate
To: [email protected]
Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 4:41 AM
Hi All!
As I have said before, the instructor i know who teaches in a two control
Ercoupe, his students have the restrictions as it should be. This is for
both PPL and SP. I have asked him about this and he told me that it takes a
whole new check ride to change this. As everyone knows or should from what I
have learned from my Dad and my own limited experience. Every plane handles
different in each aspect of flying. Even to me in two different plane of the
same model. I experience I had, when I first did a power on stall in the 172
I flew in Vegas and the way she broke and fell out from under me was
different than the one i flew here in Germany.
Anyone that in my opion is stupid enough to step from one to the other
without a check rides is an accident looking for a place to happen. This is
especially true going from tricycle to taildraggers. One case I know of,
even after getting checkout by the pilot of the plane for several hours, a
person decided they were ready to take it home and broke off the tail on
landing, because they forgot the one main rule of taildraggers to keep the
stick all the way back until they park it and shut it down. As the old
saying goes, a taildragger you fly until it is tied down and out of the
plane.
It is my hope that everyone understands that I am NOT trying to claim that I
am any kind of an expert here, I am not. I simply only want to pass on the
modest knowledge and experience I have learned.
Bear
--- On Mon, 1/26/09, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:
From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [ercoupe-tech] Restriction on Private Pilots Certificate
To: "kim Blackseth" <[email protected]>, "Hartmut Beil"
<[email protected]>
Cc: "Techlist Ercoupe" <[email protected]>
Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 6:13 PM
And he did the right thing with the restriction. It should be another check
ride to lift the restriction. You can't just demo a slip. You need a NEW
license, hence another check ride.
I hope no-one thinks that all you need to do is demonstrate a slip to make a
noped Ercoupe pilot safe in a rudder airplane. The first time they panic
when the airplane is veering to the side of the runway they will turn the
yoke and continue toward the runway lights.
Kurt
On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 14:18:25 -0800, kim Blackseth wrote
> When I got my PP last week, the DPE put a 2 axis (Ercoupe) restriction on
my certificate. He said the PTS required I be able to demonstrate a slip
and since the Ercoupe could not, he could not give me a PP without this
restriction.
>
> He also said he would remove the restriction if I could demonstrate a slip
in another plane...
>
> Kim Blackseth
> N2332H
>
>
>
> On Jan 26, 2009, at 2:07 PM, Hartmut Beil wrote:
>
> Guys,
> I might be mistaken, but in a similar discussion some time ago - didn't we
found out that the restriction on the license is bogus and has no base?
> Didn't we found out that the examiner of the fifties wanted to separate
the "cheap" license that you could get back then with less hours from the
"real" license of a Cessna driver? Today there is only one license in every
class. Either Private Pilot or Sport Pilot, everyone is making the same
tests and flying the same hours.
> I got my license in a Tomahawk - little I learned of canard flying. But my
license does not restrict me on conventional aircraft forms either.
>
> If anyone wants to move onto another type of aircraft, he needs at least a
checkride to do so. That checkride should also be a careful examination of
rudders and the use thereof.
> The license is more about airmanship, not so much about details like
rudders.
>
> Hartmut
>
>
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> To: jimtru...@comcast. net; tandymorrow@ yahoo.com; ercoupe-tech@
yahoogroups. com
> From: [email protected]
> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 14:20:51 -0600
> Subject: RE: [ercoupe-tech] Restriction on Private Pilots Certificate
>
> To Jim:
>
> The examiner screwed up. Did they luck out? Maybe, maybe not. If they ever
get in an accident, the attorney that sues them will probably figure it that
there was a mistake made on the issuance of the pilot license. I
[WINDOWS-1252?]wouldn't want to be the examiner that issued the cert or the
pilot that is using it at that point.
>
> To Tandy:
> If he takes the check ride in a no ped coupe and the examiner does it
right, he would restrict the certificate to aircraft with no rudder pedals.
> Kurt
> DPE
>
>
>
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> From: ercoupe-tech@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:ercoupe- t...@yahoogroups
.com] On Behalf Of Jim Truxel
> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 11:17 AM
> To: tandymorrow@ yahoo.com; ercoupe-tech@ yahoogroups. com
> Subject: Re: [ercoupe-tech] Restriction on Private Pilots Certificate
>
>
> I have 2 friends that got their Private check rides in Coupes without
rudder pedals and had no restrictions.
>
>
>
> The biggest issue they had was some instructors would not instruct in
Coupes and some Flight Examiners would not conduct a flight check in them.
>
>
>
> Jim
>
> N3439H
>
> FDK
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Tandy Allen <mailto:[email protected]>
>
> To: ercoupe-tech@ <mailto:[email protected]> yahoogroups. com
>
> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 12:07 PM
>
> Subject: [ercoupe-tech] Restriction on Private Pilots Certificate
>
>
>
>
> Guys - A possible buyer of my Coupe wants it to learn to fly in. Would
his certificate be restricted to flying Coupes?
>
>
> Tandy
>
>
>
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