Bear is having problems in sending to the forum. Until we resolve this, I'll forward his message. Please send private responses to him, [email protected], not to me. Thanks, Ed
_____ From: Lightning Bear [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 10:25 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Fw: Re: [ercoupe-tech] Restriction on Private Pilots Certificate [email protected] --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Lightning Bear <[email protected]> wrote: From: Lightning Bear <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [ercoupe-tech] Restriction on Private Pilots Certificate To: [email protected] Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 3:40 AM William As far as I know, all students taking their exam in a two control Ercoupe have the restriction for Light Sport Certificate. One of the instructors I learned from teaches in a two control Ercoupe and his Students have this. I was lucky that the Ercoupe I took my Exam in has rudder peddles. Bear --- On Mon, 1/26/09, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [ercoupe-tech] Restriction on Private Pilots Certificate To: "William R. Bayne" <[email protected]>, "ercoupe-tech" <[email protected]> Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 6:30 PM You know, as a CFI, I got accused of milking them for more money. I can think of two pilots in particular. They both went somewhere else, found another instructor, and another examiner, and both got their license. Both are now dead, from airplane accidents. You just have to let it roll off your back. Sometimes those "hard asses" are try to cover their ass and yours. Kurt On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 16:16:39 -0600, William R. Bayne wrote > Hi Tandy, > > It depends on the examiner he would ultimately have. More than a few got their private learning in a coupe and took their check ride in it. I picked my own examiner, and I urge everyone to do so. For a check ride in a 415-C or CD you want a reasonable one that doesn't weigh a lot (females have an advantage). The examiner with a "reputation" for being a hard ass is on an ego trip one indulges only at considerable risk to their pocketbook and confidence. Avoid them. > > Much of the transition time "required" to transition from a two-control Ercoupe to a rented Cessna 150 or Cherokee can be "milking the process" by the FBO and/or instructor...it's not that big of a deal, but they make their calculated profit on every hour they sell; and so may be (unreasonably?) conservative in dual time "requirements" before renting for solo flight test use. > > Consider also that anyone who gets their "unlimited" license in a Cessna 150 or Cherokee and then tries to hop in a Grumman Yankee without professional help will likely kill themselves on the first flight. The same is true with almost any tail dragger (there is no "tri-gear only" restriction). Similarly, the adverse yaw characteristic of a Taylorcraft makes it a whole different bird in the air than a three-control coupe or Cherokee (and that is most definitely NOT a compliment). > > It is more than worthwhile to learn to pilot a coupe well from the right seat, and to keep that skill current. I taught myself on a calm spring day, but having an instructor or competent coupe pilot friend along for the first three touch-and-goes may be a better choice for some. This ability makes it easy to get non-professional competent help before solo flight in an unfamiliar aircraft type from a competent and proficient owner or prior owner. > > I would go so far as to say that 99% of the people who learn to fly in a two-control Ercoupe could fly a three-control one without help (if crosswinds were limited to 10 MPH), and could take a check ride in one with one hour of familiarization in it by a knowledgeable instructor. > > Is anyone instructing in and/or renting three-control coupes? If so, we need a list kept current. > > The better option for a student "cleared for the check ride" by his instructor may be to get "signed off" by his/her instructor for solo flight to and from wherever there is a three-control coupe (AND an acceptable examiner) available. This doesn't have to be local. > > The fact that you can't demonstrate recovery from a spin in a coupe on the check ride should mean nothing. ALL possible instruments useful for instrument flight do not HAVE to be in the plane used for an instrument ticket check ride. Instrument proficiency only has to be demonstrated with (minimum) equipment installed. > > Does anyone know if a person trains for a Sport Pilot license in a two-control coupe and takes the check ride in it receives a two-control restriction endorsement or not? The endorsement (or lack thereof) on a license does not make a pilot safe. > > It is the proficiency of the pilot, and his/her judgment, that makes a safe pilot. Most examiners do not expect perfection. What they do expect is good judgment. They expect the applicant to know their limitations, and stay well within them; and some will pass an applicant who does something wrong, knows it, and demonstrates they can then do it right (not get rattled). > > Every newly minted "private pilot" should never cease to expand and polish their minimum skill set to exquisite sharpness in a never-ending quest for perfection aloft. There is much joy, confidence and safety thusly achievable. > > Regards, > > William R. Bayne > .____|-(o)-|____. > (Copyright 2009) > > -- > > On Jan 26, 2009, at 11:07, Tandy Allen wrote: > > Guys - A possible buyer of my Coupe wants it to learn to fly in. Would his certificate be restricted to flying Coupes? > > Tandy
