At 07:10 PM 9/19/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>At 09:01 PM 9/19/2002 -0500, John Carmack wrote:
>
>>With counter rotating blades you won't have any rolling torque, but you 
>>will still have a gyroscopic stabilizing effect that will make it resist 
>>changes in attitude.
>
>
>         Actually, no. The angular momentum of each pair of 
> counter-rotating engines cancels out, as long as they are spinning at the 
> same rate. There will be slight gyroscopic effects when the two engines 
> of a pair are at different throttle levels, but in the flight regime 
> contemplated for Gizmocopter, these throttling differences will be slight 
> and transient.
>
>         -p

I'm not sure about that.  If you have a shaft with two wheels on it, 
spinning either wheel either way will provide a gyroscopic 
"stiffness".  Two spinning wheels, even going opposite directions, should 
have twice the stiffness, not none.

I am far from an expert on gyroscopic effects, so I could be completely 
wrong, but I don't think additional rotating masses can't help you do a 
"plane change" of a rotating mass, so there is no way to cancel the 
gyroscopic stabilization effect.

John Carmack

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