At 12:09 PM 11/29/2000, you wrote:

>There seems to be this subtle war going on in the computer industry, to 
>try and modify the terms. Slashdot and ESR especially are trying to 
>distance the term "hacker" from computer intrusion. they present people 
>who use the term "hacker" as clueless sheep of the media, and that is just 
>ridiculous.

When mainstream media presents ANY issue to the public, you can rest 
assured the ones presenting
are "clueless sheep". Take a look at PC-WORLD, MSNBC, PBS and yes, even the 
articles by "Doc" Searles in our own LinuxJournal. Full of fluff and 
misinformation and downright lies.

The point of the hacker/cracker debate is to delineate good from bad. 
Growing up around Stanford, Xerox's PARC, SRI, HP, etc in the late 70's 
there were always good and bad computer folks, never was there a term for 
them however until the media shone the light of attention on their 
exploits. And it was usually in a negative light. The first time I heard 
the term hacker was probably only 10 years ago and then it was a badge of 
honour, not a brand of guilt. "I hacked that new hardware and built a 
driver for so-and-so" or "I hacked so-and-so's code and fixed his unruly 
bugs" were always good hacks. Building/using a blue box, stealing credit 
card #'s and snooping around the DOA's sites were always taboo issues, but 
never referred to as hacks. There were a lot of terms for them, most slip 
my mind, but never hacks.

Interestingly, a "hack engineer", to the electronics industry, is one who 
prefers duct tape and bailing wire
over solder and accepted good engineering practice. Go figure

jk
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