Interesting… Although in principle I share Olivier’s sentiment, and I just reached out to the WFDF to find out why they are doing this, I do want to correct one thing that Olivier wrote:
> To accept advisors, removes the responsability of all the teams, of their > SOTG captains, and IMO the basic foundations of self-refereed, > self-officiated Ultimate. That is simply not true. Game advisors do not remove any responsibility. Players will stay responsible. They make the calls. They can ask for advice. GA’s not necessarily a bad thing. My reason to oppose Game Advisors is that I feel that, especially in Europe, and in especially in Beach Ultimate, there seems to be no need for it. So why do it? (note, EBUCC will not have GA’s) --- Patrick patrick.vanderv...@beachultimate.org<mailto:patrick.vanderv...@beachultimate.org> | +351 918 412 363<tel:+351918412363> | Skype: patrickvandervalk<skype:patrickvandervalk> www.EBUCC2018.org<http://t.sidekickopen08.com/e1t/c/5/f18dQhb0S7lC8dDMPbW2n0x6l2B9nMJW7t5XYg2z8P5jN7d-dYbRbv2FVQJV2T56dLWFf8ZZ2yF02?t=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.EBUCC2018.org&si=6208734918606848&pi=146ce415-ae59-40f4-af37-d1caff83acf5> - European Beach Ultimate Club Championships (26-28 Oct, 2018) [EBUCC-Multicolor-500px] From: EuroDisc [mailto:eurodisc-boun...@ira.uni-karlsruhe.de] On Behalf Of Olivier Cassart Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 10:32 AM To: oliver browne <ojhbro...@gmail.com> Cc: eurodisc@ira.uni-karlsruhe.de; Liam Kelly <l...@liam-kelly.co.uk> Subject: Re: [ED] Tournament Partnership with Game Advisors Hi European Ultimate players and especially all the TD's in Europe, All the tournaments that you organised (high level or not) were without advisors, . I hope that you won't be the TD's who will open the door for advisors in private tournaments in Europe. I hope that you will refuse, like the Windmill did ! (cf. Ultimate Players in Europe FB page) For the TD's or players who think that it can be a good idea, I want to ask how much money are they ready to spend to have advisors on the field in the future (to help the players respect the rules...) ? Because if the WFDF will pay for the advisors and for the advisors clinics at the beginning, of course that advisors will have a cost for tournament organisers and so for the players, if advisors are integrated into some European Ultimate tournaments. The fact that it was mentioned that advisors are especially useful for quarters>semis>final, is IMO a proof that it is accepted by the WFDF that players will maybe cheat more if it is a quarter, semi or final game... This is sad because it is totally in contradiction with the SOTG rule, the 1st rule of the WFDF rules book (Highly competitive play is encouraged, but should never sacrifice the mutual respect between players, adherence to the agreed-upon rules of the game, or the basic joy of play.) If some players have win-at-all-costs attitudes in some more "important" games, it is the role and the responsibility of their team, of their SOTG captain, of their captain, of their coaches, or of their team-mates, to ask their own players to respect the principles of the SOTG rule, and not to ask external advisors to do it. To accept advisors, removes the responsability of all the teams, of their SOTG captains, and IMO the basic foundations of self-refereed, self-officiated Ultimate. European Ultimate players should not accept advisors. Say no to them ! European Ultimate Federation should not accept that the WFDF tries to impose us advisors, at least before having a discussion with all the European National Federations. European Ultimate should be proud to always keep Ultimate self-refereed since its beginning in Europe. Peace and Love, Olivier Cassart (Mooncatchers Juniors coach and ex-Belgium U20 coach between 2003 and 2012) 2018-02-20 2:14 GMT+01:00 oliver browne <ojhbro...@gmail.com<mailto:ojhbro...@gmail.com>>: Hi Euro Disc, and specifically TDs / TOCs of competitive European tournaments, WFDF is looking to put on at least one game advisor training weekend in 2018. For this we need a relatively competitive tournament to work in partnership with and are looking for suitable TDs / TOCs to contact us with expressions of interest. We will try to deliver the training at zero cost to the tournament. We will need to access a classroom space for a session on the first day to be able to deliver some of the training. In return we would provide Game Advisors for games across the weekend; any that you as TDs felt might benefit from a Game Advisor, and especially the later bracket games (Quarters > Semis > Finals). Once we have identified one, or more, suitable locations to run the clinics we will send more information out for people interested in becoming Game Advisors. Please get in touch by email to: l...@liam-kelly.co.uk<mailto:l...@liam-kelly.co.uk> Kind regards, Oliver Browne, sent on behalf of: Liam Kelly WFDF Game Advisor Committee _______________________________________________ EuroDisc mailing list eurod...@ira.uka.de<mailto:eurod...@ira.uka.de> http://lists.ira.uni-karlsruhe.de/mailman/listinfo/eurodisc
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