Hi Darryl, I'm with you on points 1 to 4 and as far as 'homeless' charging or street charging is concerned, as I ride a Vectrix, the thought occurred the other day how electric motorcycles are going to make use of inductive charging? On the other hand you can get them into places that you can't take a car. So, perhaps it'll even out in the end.
As far as 'long-haul' charging is concerned though, 20kW is no-where near enough. Most current mainstream EVs have a pack of around this size and so you are talking about driving for an hour on the freeway and then charging for at least the same. This will fail to impress the general motoring public and will (continue to) cause a serious holdup in the mass adoption of EVs. Nothing short of the ChaDeMo or Tesla Supercharger standard will suffice here. It pains me (sorry!) to hear someone of your authority and experience suggesting otherwise. Is it possible, perhaps, that your EV experience is routed too firmly in lead-acid tech rather than more modern batteries? (Going off topic a bit here...) Alternatively, I still favour doing long EV trips by fast electric train with special carriages so you can take your EV with you - used to be called Motorail here in the UK. I do wonder if the vast majority of Americans have forgotten the pleasure of train travel or simply never experienced it and therefore just do not consider it a viable alternative to the road. This seems odd to me when you consider how once the US railway network was so crucial to the development of the US and so much a part of its culture. 100 times as efficient, 10000 times safer and none of the tiredness and stress of having to drive. You also get to charge your car on the way. For me, this is the principle reason both US and UK residents should be backing their respective High Speed (200+mph) Rail Network plans. Write to your Governor/MP now! Regards, Martin Winlow Herts, UK http://www.evalbum.com/2092 www.winlow.co.uk On 7 Feb 2013, at 19:04, Darryl McMahon wrote: > I am just back from 2 days at the 2013 EV Infrastructure Summit Conference. > It was great to hear from places like London (UK) and Oslo (Norway) on what > is working for them to encourage use of EVs, including the installation and > placement of EVSE stations. > > This may have been captured best in a presentation by Ricardo Borba, a fellow > member of the Electric Vehicle Council of Ottawa, and the owner of the first > Nissan Leaf delivered in Canada. > > To paraphrase his conclusions (specific to privately owned EVs). > > 1) the most important charging location is the one at home (usually Level 2). > > 2) the next most important charging location is at work (Level 1 may be > sufficient and help address peak demand loading to some extent). > > 3) after that, what we need is fast charging stations at the periphery of > municipal areas and sufficient to support inter-city travel (say every 50 > miles / 80 km to support current Nissan, Mitsubishi, Ford BEVs and GM > extended range PHEVs). These should be fast charging stations (e.g., 16-18 > kW Level 2 or Level 3 charging stations). > > 4) Charging where I park works, parking where the charging stations are > (arbitrarily) located does not. > > I have been talking for some time about 5 charging station segments to be > addressed as we roll out the infrastructure. This is largely based on my > personal experience in over 30 years of EV driving. > > 1) Home charging. It would be nice if installations were designed to be > friendly for visitors, because someday your friends will come to visit and > they will have EVs, too. > > 2) 'Homeless' charging. This is for people with an EV, but without an > on-property parking space that supports a charging station. This could > include townhome complexes, apartment building and condominium buildings, or > some homes in older areas where there simply is not space for parking. This > one will take some effort around education, regulations, permitting, possibly > electrical and building codes and more. Also possible issues around > etiquette and ensuring that such spaces are available to assigned users. > > 3) At work charging. Employers that own parking spaces can generally > accommodate this fairly easily. In some cases there are incentives > available. Tends to be a little trickier where the employer rents their > premises, or parking is not part of the employment premises. This is where > commercial or municipal parking facilities come into play. In my experience, > in the past, this has been best addressed by the EV owner making their own > arrangements, as getting agreement on a small item by 2 or 3 corporate > entities simply is not worth the effort. > > 4) Destination charging (stores, theatres, fitness centres, community > centres, customer-facing business and government locations where longer > visits are typical, schools, etc.). When I go to some place and expect to be > there for 90 minutes or more, I would like the option of charging my vehicle. > I am not interested in parking 2 miles away to charge my vehicle and then > finding some other means to get from my car to my destination. In general, I > think this should be Level 2 charging. I also think we need to estabish some > etiquette around using these spaces, as they become a shared resource for the > EV community (e.g., the charging station can indicate that no current is > being drawn - vehicle is charged; is it OK to unplug a plug-in hybrid to > charge a battery-only EV if there are no other charging spaces available?). > Personal opinion - I prefer that the EVSE space be visible, but not in a > preferred location. Leave the preferred location for the handicapped spaces. > This wa y, the space is less likely to be ICEd. Putting the charging station so that it can serve 2 or 3 different spaces can also help with the ICE issue (and so can an extension cord). Until such time as EVs are a significant part of the road-going fleet, putting in dedicated charging spaces in preferred locations that will typically be empty is just a red flag to the ICE owners that have to walk 4 or 5 extra steps past the empty space, and more evidence that EVs are a failure. When we are at the point that we have parking lots like Oslo with 50 charging spots, and they are all filled by BEVs by 7 a.m. each weekday, then we won't have to worry about this issue. > > 5) Long-haul charging. This is a fairly new arena for BEVs, dating from the > arrival of the Tesla and Leaf. (We did have some pioneers who charged at > campgrounds and other locations along their route, but in general this was > not a common practice.) I applaud Sun Country Highway for showing the way in > this regard. (https://suncountryhighway.ca/) I think we need to have Level 3 > (or high rate Level 2 - up to 18 kW) EVSE at least every 80 km (50 miles) > along routes where we want to support EV travel. We are an urban population > (over 80% live in urban areas), and most of our EV driving (more than 80%) > will occur in the urban region. Still, vehicles like the Tesla expand the > range capability, so why not support the more typical EVs for inter-urban > missions? I believe these charging stations have to be located at service > centres (restrooms, coffee shops, restaurants), and we need to have at least > 2 charging ports at each (to provide redundancy in the event of failure and > to s upport multiple vehicles in normal circumstances). > > Darryl McMahon > Past President, Electric Vehicle Council of Ottawa (on digest mode) > > > > On 07/02/2013 1:04 PM, [email protected] wrote: >> >> On 7 Feb 2013 at 8:28, Peri Hartman wrote: >> >>> >The more I think about it, I agree that ESVEs should be located away from >>> >the >>> >favorite ICE spots. Why cause contentions? >> This is a good point and I agree that locating EV spots far out in the >> parking lot may reduce their blockage with ICEVs. However, I see two >> downsides. >> >> 1. IMO, you really should reward people for making a more responsible choice >> (EV), not punish them by making them walk more. >> >> 2. It takes more expensive copper wire to install a charging point farther >> from the building. >> >> Just matters to consider. >> >> David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA >> EVDL Administrator > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20130208/dcf33e2a/attachment.htm> _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
