I live in North Carolina - they are getting ready to frack in very uncertain geology here. That is what will happen next.
On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 3:13 AM, Martin WINLOW via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org>wrote: > A Financial Times article a couple of weeks back was saying that $1T of > recent investment in shale oil and gas extraction will never se a profit - > due to too low oil and gas prices. Guess what's going to happen next? MW > > > On 27 May 2014, at 07:02, Jan Steinman via EV wrote: > > >> From: Michael Ross [mailto:michael.e.r...@gmail.com] > >> > >> Can we really disregard the energy cost of all those other items making > >> up the totla cost? > > > > No! It's a totally essential concept! > > > > I think the Hummer versus Prius example was probably contrived and > skewed, but the concept of energy cost accounting is something we don't do > enough of these days. > > > > For example, some energy cost analysis indicates that some shale oil > costs as much as $120/barrel to produce, although the market rate is only > $100/barrel. Some studies even suggest that some shale oil well use more > energy than they will ever produce. > > > > For more info, look into "emergy," a concept rigorously developed by > Howard (HT) Odum. > > > > :::: The more the work is left to nature, the greater the net yield but > the longer the time required... Thus sometimes the most apparently > productive and high-yielding sources of energy involve a lot of activity > for little return, while long-term investments, especially in naturally > grown forests, provide the greatest value for future generations. -- David > Holmgren > > :::: Jan Steinman, EcoReality Co-op :::: > > > > _______________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > -- Put this question to yourself: should I use everyone else to attain happiness, or should I help others gain happiness? *Dalai Lama * Tell me what it is you plan to do With your one wild and precious life? Mary Oliver, "The summer day." To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk. Thomas A. Edison<http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasaed125362.html> A public-opinion poll is no substitute for thought. *Warren Buffet* Michael E. Ross (919) 550-2430 Land (919) 576-0824 <https://www.google.com/voice/b/0?pli=1#phones> Google Phone (919) 631-1451 Cell (919) 513-0418 Desk michael.e.r...@gmail.com <michael.e.r...@gmail.com> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140528/3dfad913/attachment.htm> _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
