If the population REALLY wants them to stop they will stop. Envoyé de mon iPhone
> Le 2014-05-30 à 11:59, Martin WINLOW via EV <[email protected]> a écrit : > > So, not content with 100 years of greed-fueled destruction of the earths > atmosphere through the squandering of a very finite resource, just when > progress is being made to progress Humanity down a more responsible road to a > cleaner and more sustainable future for us and and the Earth in general, Big > Oil comes along and says "No! You don't want to do it like that! Lets do > the same thing all over again" and cause earthquakes, rising sea levels, > destruction of ground water systems and an even more poisonous atmosphere. > Sounds like the plot from '2012'. > > And... I think I just outed myself publicly as an official tree-hugger. MW > > >> On 28 May 2014, at 20:23, Cor van de Water via EV wrote: >> >> So - NC will experience increasing earthquake activity (other regions >> are living this already) and contamination of groundwater sources >> (people can no longer use the wells that they have been drinking from >> for decades), >> in addition to a rise of fuel prices - that Martin hinted at. >> >> Cor van de Water >> Chief Scientist >> Proxim Wireless Corporation http://www.proxim.com >> Email: [email protected] Private: http://www.cvandewater.info >> Skype: cor_van_de_water Tel: +1 408 383 7626 >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: EV [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Michael Ross >> via EV >> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2014 7:51 AM >> To: Martin WINLOW; Electric Vehicle Discussion List >> Subject: Re: [EVDL] EV Digest, Vol 19, Issue 39 - OTT >> >> I live in North Carolina - they are getting ready to frack in very >> uncertain geology here. That is what will happen next. >> >> >> On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 3:13 AM, Martin WINLOW via EV >> <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> A Financial Times article a couple of weeks back was saying that $1T >> of >>> recent investment in shale oil and gas extraction will never se a >> profit - >>> due to too low oil and gas prices. Guess what's going to happen next? >> MW >>> >>> >>> On 27 May 2014, at 07:02, Jan Steinman via EV wrote: >>> >>>>> From: Michael Ross [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>> >>>>> Can we really disregard the energy cost of all those other items >> making >>>>> up the totla cost? >>>> >>>> No! It's a totally essential concept! >>>> >>>> I think the Hummer versus Prius example was probably contrived and >>> skewed, but the concept of energy cost accounting is something we >> don't do >>> enough of these days. >>>> >>>> For example, some energy cost analysis indicates that some shale oil >>> costs as much as $120/barrel to produce, although the market rate is >> only >>> $100/barrel. Some studies even suggest that some shale oil well use >> more >>> energy than they will ever produce. >>>> >>>> For more info, look into "emergy," a concept rigorously developed by >>> Howard (HT) Odum. >>>> >>>> :::: The more the work is left to nature, the greater the net yield >> but >>> the longer the time required... Thus sometimes the most apparently >>> productive and high-yielding sources of energy involve a lot of >> activity >>> for little return, while long-term investments, especially in >> naturally >>> grown forests, provide the greatest value for future generations. -- >> David >>> Holmgren >>>> :::: Jan Steinman, EcoReality Co-op :::: >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >>> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >>> For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( >>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >> >> >> -- >> Put this question to yourself: should I use everyone else to attain >> happiness, or should I help others gain happiness? >> *Dalai Lama * >> >> Tell me what it is you plan to do >> With your one wild and precious life? >> Mary Oliver, "The summer day." >> >> To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk. >> Thomas A. >> Edison<http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasaed125362.html> >> >> A public-opinion poll is no substitute for thought. >> *Warren Buffet* >> >> Michael E. 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