On this topic, about 75 years ago the oil and gas wells in Pennsylvania began showing depletion symptoms. These were the firs oil wells and gas wells in the world. When they stopped producing the casings were puled out for scrap steel. and they were supposed to be sealed with concrete. Many were not and salt water lies below oil in the region fresh water above. The salt water contaminated the farm and home wells. the drilling of another well is not a solution in this situation. These farms and homes had to make do with water from creeks and rivers. A very poor substitute. winter stops the flo in almost all creeks and ice and snow cover all winter, the spring thaws bring flooding and mud and contaminates soil the creeks and rivers. I have been told the long term residents consider oil and gas wells a curse on their lives...
*Dennis Lee Miles * *Director **E.V.T.I. Inc.* *E-Mail:* *evprofes...@evprofessor.com* <evprofes...@evprofessor.com> *Phone #* *(863) 944-9913* Dade City, Florida 33523 USA On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Cor van de Water via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org>wrote: > The northern part of The Netherlands is also an extremely stable > geology, > > but also very rich in natural gas, especially the province of Groningen. > > These days it is not uncommon to see all older houses there damaged > > from shifting ground, some houses were condemned and many have > > broken walls from regular small earthquakes and moving soil, so the > > walls tear from bottom to top (these are brick walls). > > After pressure from the public, the disclosure was made that there is no > > guarantee that the strength of earthquakes (which were unheard of in > this area) > > can stay below 2.5 as they promised before - now they do not know > > how strong the eartquakes will get... > > Can we say a man-made disaster? > > > > Cor van de Water > Chief Scientist > Proxim Wireless Corporation http://www.proxim.com > <http://www.proxim.com> > Email: cwa...@proxim.com Private: http://www.cvandewater.info > <http://www.cvandewater.infom> > Skype: cor_van_de_water Tel: +1 408 383 7626 > > ________________________________ > > From: Michael Ross [mailto:michael.e.r...@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2014 12:42 PM > To: Cor van de Water; Electric Vehicle Discussion List > Subject: Re: [EVDL] EV Digest, Vol 19, Issue 39 - OTT > > > > I don't know about earthquake activity, this is very stable land, but > yes my lovely 12GPM well could become useless even though I am 60 to 100 > miles from the activity. Many more people are closer to the danger. I > would have to go with chlorinated tap water, at $5k to get a hook up. > > > > We currently have a very business pliant legislature, they are accepting > allowing the exact formulations and nature of the chemicals used to be > kept secret - even suggesting that revealing them would be a felony. > Yes, if a journalist were to discover and reveal them they would be > jailed as a felon. How crazy is that? > > > > The geology where they are headed is not like the areas where fracking > has been performed with no known effect on the aquifers, the structure > there is very jumbled up with hardened dikes, of unknown topology and > unknown fissures that could very well reroute the stuff unpredictably. > > > > The sorriest thing is there is barely enough gas to make it worth while > - debatable if it is worth doing. Even so, there will be a lot of > salaries paid regardless of the amounts of gas. Much of the rural areas > where they want to do this are pretty low income - which usually means > they get screwed as they have little clout. The monetary return for the > people living above the area is not going to be much, and the risks > possibly very high. > > > > It is ugly what is going on here. > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 3:23 PM, Cor van de Water via EV > <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: > > So - NC will experience increasing earthquake activity (other regions > are living this already) and contamination of groundwater sources > (people can no longer use the wells that they have been drinking from > for decades), > in addition to a rise of fuel prices - that Martin hinted at. > > Cor van de Water > Chief Scientist > Proxim Wireless Corporation http://www.proxim.com > Email: cwa...@proxim.com Private: http://www.cvandewater.info > Skype: cor_van_de_water Tel: +1 408 383 7626 > <tel:%2B1%20408%20383%207626> > > > -----Original Message----- > From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Michael Ross > via EV > Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2014 7:51 AM > To: Martin WINLOW; Electric Vehicle Discussion List > Subject: Re: [EVDL] EV Digest, Vol 19, Issue 39 - OTT > > I live in North Carolina - they are getting ready to frack in very > uncertain geology here. That is what will happen next. > > > On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 3:13 AM, Martin WINLOW via EV > <ev@lists.evdl.org>wrote: > > > A Financial Times article a couple of weeks back was saying that $1T > of > > recent investment in shale oil and gas extraction will never se a > profit - > > due to too low oil and gas prices. Guess what's going to happen next? > MW > > > > > > On 27 May 2014, at 07:02, Jan Steinman via EV wrote: > > > > >> From: Michael Ross [mailto:michael.e.r...@gmail.com] > > >> > > >> Can we really disregard the energy cost of all those other items > making > > >> up the totla cost? > > > > > > No! It's a totally essential concept! > > > > > > I think the Hummer versus Prius example was probably contrived and > > skewed, but the concept of energy cost accounting is something we > don't do > > enough of these days. > > > > > > For example, some energy cost analysis indicates that some shale oil > > costs as much as $120/barrel to produce, although the market rate is > only > > $100/barrel. Some studies even suggest that some shale oil well use > more > > energy than they will ever produce. > > > > > > For more info, look into "emergy," a concept rigorously developed by > > Howard (HT) Odum. > > > > > > :::: The more the work is left to nature, the greater the net yield > but > > the longer the time required... Thus sometimes the most apparently > > productive and high-yielding sources of energy involve a lot of > activity > > for little return, while long-term investments, especially in > naturally > > grown forests, provide the greatest value for future generations. -- > David > > Holmgren > > > :::: Jan Steinman, EcoReality Co-op :::: > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > > For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > > > > > > -- > Put this question to yourself: should I use everyone else to attain > happiness, or should I help others gain happiness? > *Dalai Lama * > > Tell me what it is you plan to do > With your one wild and precious life? > Mary Oliver, "The summer day." > > To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk. > Thomas A. > Edison<http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasaed125362.html> > > A public-opinion poll is no substitute for thought. > *Warren Buffet* > > Michael E. 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