So - NC will experience increasing earthquake activity (other regions
are living this already) and contamination of groundwater sources
(people can no longer use the wells that they have been drinking from
for decades),
in addition to a rise of fuel prices - that Martin hinted at.

Cor van de Water
Chief Scientist
Proxim Wireless Corporation
Email: Private:
Skype: cor_van_de_water Tel: +1 408 383 7626

-----Original Message-----
From: EV [] On Behalf Of Michael Ross
via EV
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2014 7:51 AM
To: Martin WINLOW; Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: Re: [EVDL] EV Digest, Vol 19, Issue 39 - OTT

I live in North Carolina - they are getting ready to frack in very
uncertain geology here. That is what will happen next.

On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 3:13 AM, Martin WINLOW via EV

> A Financial Times article a couple of weeks back was saying that $1T
> recent investment in shale oil and gas extraction will never se a
profit -
> due to too low oil and gas prices.  Guess what's going to happen next?
> On 27 May 2014, at 07:02, Jan Steinman via EV wrote:
> >> From: Michael Ross []
> >>
> >> Can we really disregard the energy cost of all those other items
> >> up the totla cost?
> >
> > No! It's a totally essential concept!
> >
> > I think the Hummer versus Prius example was probably contrived and
> skewed, but the concept of energy cost accounting is something we
don't do
> enough of these days.
> >
> > For example, some energy cost analysis indicates that some shale oil
> costs as much as $120/barrel to produce, although the market rate is
> $100/barrel. Some studies even suggest that some shale oil well use
> energy than they will ever produce.
> >
> > For more info, look into "emergy," a concept rigorously developed by
> Howard (HT) Odum.
> >
> > :::: The more the work is left to nature, the greater the net yield
> the longer the time required... Thus sometimes the most apparently
> productive and high-yielding sources of energy involve a lot of
> for little return, while long-term investments, especially in
> grown forests, provide the greatest value for future generations. --
> Holmgren
> > :::: Jan Steinman, EcoReality Co-op ::::
> >
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