Martin, Not to worry. I am a tree-hugger too. I hung them all the time to see how many board-feet I can get out of them.
Buddy -----Original Message----- From: EV [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Martin WINLOW via EV Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 11:59 AM To: Cor van de Water; Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] EV Digest, Vol 19, Issue 39 - OTT So, not content with 100 years of greed-fueled destruction of the earths atmosphere through the squandering of a very finite resource, just when progress is being made to progress Humanity down a more responsible road to a cleaner and more sustainable future for us and and the Earth in general, Big Oil comes along and says "No! You don't want to do it like that! Lets do the same thing all over again" and cause earthquakes, rising sea levels, destruction of ground water systems and an even more poisonous atmosphere. Sounds like the plot from '2012'. And... I think I just outed myself publicly as an official tree-hugger. MW On 28 May 2014, at 20:23, Cor van de Water via EV wrote: > So - NC will experience increasing earthquake activity (other regions > are living this already) and contamination of groundwater sources > (people can no longer use the wells that they have been drinking from > for decades), > in addition to a rise of fuel prices - that Martin hinted at. > > Cor van de Water > Chief Scientist > Proxim Wireless Corporation http://www.proxim.com > Email: [email protected] Private: http://www.cvandewater.info > Skype: cor_van_de_water Tel: +1 408 383 7626 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: EV [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Michael Ross > via EV > Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2014 7:51 AM > To: Martin WINLOW; Electric Vehicle Discussion List > Subject: Re: [EVDL] EV Digest, Vol 19, Issue 39 - OTT > > I live in North Carolina - they are getting ready to frack in very > uncertain geology here. That is what will happen next. > > > On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 3:13 AM, Martin WINLOW via EV > <[email protected]>wrote: > >> A Financial Times article a couple of weeks back was saying that $1T > of >> recent investment in shale oil and gas extraction will never se a > profit - >> due to too low oil and gas prices. Guess what's going to happen next? > MW >> >> >> On 27 May 2014, at 07:02, Jan Steinman via EV wrote: >> >>>> From: Michael Ross [mailto:[email protected]] >>>> >>>> Can we really disregard the energy cost of all those other items > making >>>> up the totla cost? >>> >>> No! It's a totally essential concept! >>> >>> I think the Hummer versus Prius example was probably contrived and >> skewed, but the concept of energy cost accounting is something we > don't do >> enough of these days. >>> >>> For example, some energy cost analysis indicates that some shale oil >> costs as much as $120/barrel to produce, although the market rate is > only >> $100/barrel. Some studies even suggest that some shale oil well use > more >> energy than they will ever produce. >>> >>> For more info, look into "emergy," a concept rigorously developed by >> Howard (HT) Odum. >>> >>> :::: The more the work is left to nature, the greater the net yield > but >> the longer the time required... Thus sometimes the most apparently >> productive and high-yielding sources of energy involve a lot of > activity >> for little return, while long-term investments, especially in > naturally >> grown forests, provide the greatest value for future generations. -- > David >> Holmgren >>> :::: Jan Steinman, EcoReality Co-op :::: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >> >> > > > -- > Put this question to yourself: should I use everyone else to attain > happiness, or should I help others gain happiness? > *Dalai Lama * > > Tell me what it is you plan to do > With your one wild and precious life? > Mary Oliver, "The summer day." > > To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk. > Thomas A. > Edison<http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasaed125362.html> > > A public-opinion poll is no substitute for thought. > *Warren Buffet* > > Michael E. 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