It is a good thing when a vehicle like a Tesla disables itself in an accident. Even my conversion does that. I have an inertial switch to disconnect the traction pack in the event of an accident.
Now, in my case, I just need to reset that sensor. I'm sure Tesla has something much more exotic. However, I don't think you can argue against disabling the output of an 85 kWh pack during an accident! Mike On October 2, 2014 7:42:01 AM MDT, Collin Kidder via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: >Heh, you realize who deactivated it in the first place, right? I mean, >you >wouldn't have to "activate it" were it not for the fact that they >turned it >off in the first place. My argument is thus (and obviously) that they >had >no business disabling the car in the first place. It was not their car. >I >fail to understand how people can justify someone else disabling a car >that >they own. > >On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 9:35 AM, Robert Bruninga <bruni...@usna.edu> >wrote: > >> This is laughable. Sure the car is yours to do anything you want >with. >> >> But when you want to go ask Tesla to "activate it", then guess what, >you >> are ASKING for help from someone who has a very valid reason not to >want to >> take the risk to HELP you with YOUR salvage CAR which you OWN. >> >> If you want help from Tesla, either do what they want (to give you >the >> help while minimizing their risk) or shut-up and go sit in your car >and >> enjoy your OWNERSHIP as a yard ornament. >> >> Bob >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 9:18 AM, Collin Kidder via EV ><ev@lists.evdl.org> >> wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 6:04 PM, Lawrence Harris via EV ><ev@lists.evdl.org >>> > >>> wrote: >>> >>> > I am afraid I side with Tesla on this. As much as I like to be >able to >>> > tinker with 'my stuff' here we have a very complex system with >many >>> sensors >>> > and actuators that are all controlled by the onboard computer >systems. >>> The >>> > car has been repaired by (apparently) someone with no training on >making >>> > sure all these system, some of them safety systems, are working. >Tesla >>> > says let us take a look, if it's all ok we will reactive the car, >if not >>> > you have the choice of getting them fixed or abandoning the >project. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> I absolutely disagree. If you purchase something (and you do get a >title >>> when you buy a car) then it is yours. What you do with it is no >longer the >>> company's problem. You could disassemble it, turn it into a fish >tank, >>> build it into a transformer, whatever. Saying that the car is >complex does >>> not change the question of ownership. When you sell something you >give up >>> interest in the object you sold. It is gone; it is no longer yours. >Now, >>> it >>> is perfectly acceptable to offer warranties and other incentives. >These >>> things do not dilute the ownership question but rather provide some >route >>> for extra support after the sale. In all the cases we're currently >hearing >>> about the people with the cars are NOT trying to assert any warranty >>> claims >>> at all. They just want to fix their own car. Let's say that some >safety >>> systems are not working. If that is the case the car should know >about it. >>> This is not 1950. Cars have complicated diagnostic systems as well >as >>> complicated safety systems. Some cars even tell you which light is >burnt >>> out so you don't have to guess when it happens. If Tesla did even a >half >>> assed job of making their cars then it'll know if any of the sensors >or >>> systems seem to be malfunctioning. At that point it can warn the >owner of >>> the vehicle that something still isn't right. Often you are allowed >to >>> drive anyway so long as the problem isn't too dire. There is no need >for >>> Tesla to inspect the vehicle's sensors and computer systems. They do >that >>> themselves. The more pertinent problem here is likely the frame of >the >>> car. >>> If it is cracked in half nothing else in the car is likely to know >about >>> it >>> until the car tears in two. So, I could see someone being nervous >about >>> that. That's why the DMV will want the car's structure and >suspension to >>> be >>> inspected before it is licensed for on-the-road use. Tesla has >nothing to >>> do with that. No, all of this is just Tesla being overbearing >control >>> freaks. >>> >>> >>> > >>> > As an aside I had a similar talk with Mercedes when the onboard >computer >>> > in my car got fried (wiring issue - their fault out of warrantee >and no >>> > recall). I tried to get a replacement from the wreckers and was >told >>> > sorry, the computer is flashed to the VIN of the car and unless I >>> replace >>> > 'all' the various interlinked components including the keys it >won't >>> work - >>> > only a new computer will work. Talking to my non dealer mechanic >he >>> said >>> > many of the new cars are like this and there are system he can't >easily >>> > service. >>> > >>> > Lawrence Harris >>> > >>> > >>> This is also stupid and many people want a law (right to repair) to >fix >>> this sort of issue. I'm sure that their stated reason for doing VIN >>> locking >>> is to prevent chop shops from parting out people's vehicles. That's >still >>> a >>> stupid reason and really a lie. I seriously doubt that the OEM cares >about >>> chop shops. They care about control. Now we're seeing that Tesla is >>> showing >>> their true colors as well. I suppose it isn't really a surprise but >many >>> people had hoped that Elon Musk would be different. It turns out >that >>> Tesla >>> is behaving pretty much like all the big auto makers. I guess they >want to >>> fit in? >>> >>> There is currently a war against ownership and I'm not terribly fond >of >>> it. >>> Unfortunately, few people seem to care. They're content to almost >kind of >>> sort of own things that they bought and paid for. 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