On 3/25/15 10:54 AM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
Ok, you've convinced me, Willie, that I should have a Tesla. I'm going
to open a kickstarter campaign to get me Tesla. Anyone who contributes
will get free use for a day :)
Whatta deal! Or just wait a few years and get the model 3...
Willie2, it sounds like the Model S is a great fit for your needs. If
70% of the initial LEAF range meant it "lost nearly all its utility"
then you were really on the edge with that car. Given the battery
improvements since then, I would expect that 2013+ LEAF packs will
generally hold up longer than what you experienced. Time will tell.
Cheers,
-Jamie
Peri
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From: "Willie2 via EV" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: 25-Mar-15 9:45:08 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: LEAF EV Pack Reliability Outperforms Cynics &
Critics (?)
On 03/25/2015 10:34 AM, Jamie K via EV wrote:
Failures below spec are eligible for warranty replacement.
Replacements are with the so-called "Lizard" battery pack, which is
reported to be more tolerant of hotter climates.
I know from personal experience that Nissan has been less than
honorable in dealing with battery warranty issues. Their
instrumentation obfuscates the true situation. IMHO, that is by
design. "Bars" have almost no meaning. The car owner has no idea what
true battery capacity is other than by observing declining range.
Nissan uses this dearth of owner accessible information to deny
capacity loss.
Even if honored, the warranty is nearly useless. It specifies at least
30% capacity loss (as determined by Nissan). By the time a Leaf is 30%
down in capacity, it has lost almost all of it's utility. And it seems
likely that Nissan is forcing owners to suffer to 40% or 50% loss
before warranty replacement.
My Leaf went from about 95 miles of range down to about 65 miles. With
65 miles of range, Nissan declared my battery to be "fine" and refused
to replace. For the first year, my Leaf served about 90% of my needs.
With 65 miles of range, it was less than 50%. I went from being able
to drive the Leaf about 15k miles per year to way less than 10k miles.
With such crappy range, the car was not worth keeping.
I bought the Leaf with the expectation that the battery would serve
for at least five years and, when it was time for replacement, cheaper
and bigger batteries would be available. I found it to have a two year
battery with no warranty protection.
I was extremely happy with my Leaf. For the first year. I'm at two
years on the Tesla and still extremely happy. The Tesla has gone 50k
miles in two years and has lost about 5% of capacity. Tesla
instrumentation is honest and clear, much in contrast to the Leaf's.
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