"unknown makes unloved" If I here (in Silicon Valley) ask how I can go to San Francisco, the people start to explain which freeways I need to take: 101 or 280! When I probe a bit more "any alternatives?" then they become creative: you could drive up Skyline (35) or take 1 along the coast... It does not enter their mind that I might want to go by train or bus or taxi or even ride my bicycle on the Bay Trail to get to the city. The car is so engrained, that people only choose from the solutions that they would take themselves, because they know them. Similar to EV. Plenty EV'ers have found out that their EV is their main vehicle, that it suits 90+% of their driving needs and they either rent, borrow or share a long-range vehicle for the rare occasion. That all sounds like a "hassle" to people raised with the status quo of liquid fuel cars and it also paves the way for non-starter solutions like Hydrogen to collect a following, even though it is a lose-lose-lose proposition. (CO2 production goes up; infrastructure spending goes through the roof and the operational cost is higher - not to mention the risks inherent to this "fuel")
Luckily I see some battery developments in progress that will make Hydrogen irrelevant, so the lobbyists will soon find a closed door, but it will take a few more years, so we will have to endure that madness for a little longer. In the mean time, companies like Tesla make the EV a desired item, not a hassle and Nissan has paved the way to get masses into the EV driver seat, so we just need to stay steady with the message that you are driving your EV for free, compared to the expenses of an ICE and people will continue to be curious how they can also lower the cost of their worst habit and the increasing competition in the market will also drive the price down, in addition to ever better range and charge speed. I heard from solar installers that about 50% of households who get an EV, also opt to install solar if they can, so they not only have freed themselves from paying for their fuel from that moment onwards, but also eliminated the impact on the environment for their driving habit. To come back to the 3 interviewed persons - now that they are questioned about it, they may realize that they answered without actually knowing all that much, so they might ask others or question their own opinion. If they find acceptable answers from a reliable source (someone they trust relates how they enjoy their EV) then they may very well change their opinion - it is an opinion after all... Cor van de Water Chief Scientist Proxim Wireless office +1 408 383 7626 Skype: cor_van_de_water XoIP +31 87 784 1130 private: cvandewater.info www.proxim.com This email message (including any attachments) contains confidential and proprietary information of Proxim Wireless Corporation. If you received this message in error, please delete it and notify the sender. Any unauthorized use, disclosure, distribution, or copying of any part of this message is prohibited. -----Original Message----- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Paul Dove via EV Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2015 2:12 PM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] Design News: Why Aren't Electrical Cars Sales Better?It's the battery. True, new concepts take time to catch on. We who own EVs know these are unfounded fears. I would be apprehensive of selling my car and moving to a big city and using mass transits because I've always lived in rural areas but many people get by just fine like that. Sent from my iPhone > On May 23, 2015, at 9:24 AM, Peri Hartman via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: > > It's difficult for us EV enthusiasts to know what the rest of the world > thinks. So I went and asked three non EV people their opionions. These are > moderately affluent people who are married and own two cars per household. > I'll present their stories here but won't try to interpret their meanings too > much. > > I posed the question like this: Suppose one of your cars broke down and you > decided it wasn't worth fixing. You're going to buy a new car. Why would or > would not you choose an electric vehicle? > > 1. I'd probably choose a gas car. Don't I have to install some sort of > charging system at home? That might be difficult. And are there enough > charging stations around? I don't know if I would need to charge while > driving places. Of course, my wife hardly drives a few miles each day, she > would never run out of charge. > > 2. I hear that Tesla is coming out with a 200 mile range EV for around $40K > in a few years. I think I'd rather wait for that rather than buy a car that > doesn't really fit my needs. > > 3. To buy an EV, I spend more and get less car. With my gas car, I don't > have to plan ahead. If I need to go a long distance, I just go. (Me: what > about using your wife's car?) Well, she might be using it to go a longer > distance at the same time. > > I could have asked more questions and led the discussions but I more or less > just left it. In the last case, it's evident that renting a car or using a > service like car2go for the rare cases where both people need to go "long" > distances either seemed too inconvenient or wasn't considered. > > Peri > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Paul Dove via EV" <ev@lists.evdl.org> > To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.evdl.org> > Sent: 20-May-15 4:28:29 AM > Subject: Re: [EVDL] FW: Design News: Why Aren't Electrical Cars Sales Better? > It's the battery. > >> Well I am sorry he got annoyed and left but I still disagree. All we are >> seeing is the adoption curve. Any new technology takes time to be mass >> accepted. Before the lithium battery electric vehicles were a novelty. Now >> they are here to stay. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On May 20, 2015, at 1:45 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> On 19 May 2015 at 22:52, jerry freedomev via EV wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Arak and all, Well you did say that since EV's didn't fit 30% of >>>> the population needs it wasn't good on an EV list kind of should >>>> expect blowback. >>> >>> Well said Jerry, but Arak isn't listening. Thus challenged, he got >>> indignant and unsubscribed. :-( >>> >>> Let us not forget the immortal Fidonet Principles: >>> Thou shalt not be too annoying. >>> Thou shalt not be too easily annoyed. >>> >>> I'm sympathetic with some of his points, though. Most of us here >>> don't think EVs have to manage all the missions and trips that ICEVs >>> can, but we're not normal vehicle buyers. The average person is not >>> going to pay an ICEV price for a car that does less and covers fewer >>> of his transporation needs than an ICEV does. 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