And using non-paying customers as an excuse is old, because the entire loan industry deals with that, that is why there is such a thing as a repo-man. It is not something new for car battery packs. If your car can get towed for standing where it should not then there is no problem to tow your car for being behind on the battery payment. Practically there is a difference of course, and how to detect whether a payment is due is an issue but not a problem, I can easily give you several solutions that will allow non-intrusive, even remote detectoin of the status of your battery pack so a pickup of your car can be scheduled if you fail to pay after a normal period of contact with you and trying to arrange a solution. One solution is as simple as the car checking a digitally signed electronic key from the battery pack. If no new key gets uploaded to the pack after you fail to pay, the key from the previous month will expire (with some grace period) and the check of the key will fail so the car will refuse to start. The location of the disabled car will be known from its normal telemetry. There are other solutions where the battery pack has its own radio beacon that can be received from some distance. You can even think about a Lojack type system to be able to recover a "misplaced" battery pack. Again, there is nothing new that needs to be invented to make a continuous payment system or a pay-as-you-go system possible for EV packs.
Cor van de Water Chief Scientist Proxim Wireless office +1 408 383 7626 Skype: cor_van_de_water XoIP +31 87 784 1130 private: cvandewater.info http://www.proxim.com This email message (including any attachments) contains confidential and proprietary information of Proxim Wireless Corporation. If you received this message in error, please delete it and notify the sender. Any unauthorized use, disclosure, distribution, or copying of any part of this message is prohibited. -----Original Message----- From: EV [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Michael Ross via EV Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2016 11:17 AM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List; Lee Hart Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Batteries are King (A Gigafactory Challenge) Actually, Tesla designed the S and presumably X and 3 for quick swapping (to get around an ill-advised CA law). There is a video of them driving on and swapping 2 S's automatically in the time it takes to put gas in one Nissan ICE. The doesn't make them interchangeable, but it's not nothing. On Mar 2, 2016 1:13 PM, "Lee Hart via EV" <[email protected]> wrote: > Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote: > >> I know it's been looked at in more recent years, but the actual >> reasons for no one implementing such a scheme has, to me, been lost >> in the noise. >> > > Actually, battery leasing is very common for commercial and industrial EVs > (fork lifts, golf carts, etc.) Fleet operators like to control costs, and > hate surprises and down-time. Leasing gives them a dependable monthly cost, > no matter what happens. > > The company providing the batteries also likes it. They have a big > dependable customer, who pays the bills (or is easy to find and collect > from if they don't). The batteries are highly standardized. The vehicles > are built for easy battery swaps and maintenance and swaps. There are often > a large number of identical packs at the same location. All this makes > their job easier. > > The situation is a lot more difficult for individual consumer EVs. There > are no standard packs. The vehicles aren't built to allow fast battery > swaps. Customers are widely scattered. And, it's going to be harder to > collect from customers who don't pay. > > There's one more factor. Many consumers abuse rental property. "Hey, it's > a rental -- I can wreck it, because it's not mine." > > On the other side, I can also see fast-buck fear-mongers that will sell > people worthless battery leases or maintenance agreements. They are going > to give consumer battery leasing a bad reputation. > > -- > Knowledge is better than belief. Belief is when someone else does > your thinking. -- anonymous > -- > Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, www.sunrise-ev.com > _______________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA ( > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20160302/5777 1c49/attachment.htm> _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
