All of this assumes that the person shopping wants to be in the store long enough to make plugging in worthwhile. It might work at a place like Walmart or a similar big box store, but may not have the expected results at a smaller grocery store.
Matthew Pitts On August 19, 2019 10:00:13 PM EDT, Brandon Hines via EV <[email protected]> wrote: >I have always thought that one of the biggest problems with EVs is that > >it is difficult to make charging infrastructure profitable. Any >reasonably profitable markup on electricity would be outrageous from a >consumer perspective. Any investment into a small number of stations >does not sufficient spread the risk. There is a high probability that >maintenance costs will eat most, if not all, potential profits. > >In this particular case I would highly advise against spending $50k for > >a L3 charger at a co-op. L3 charging is more for long distance travel, > >not opportunity charging. I suspect most people are not driving >extended distances to shop for groceries. > >A better strategy might be to install 6 L2 chargers for 1/10th the >total >cost and allow shoppers to charge for free. The additional 20 miles >added per hour should be beneficial to most shoppers. And if an >occasional shopper needs more range they can sit for a meal at the >deli. The extra Balsamic Pesto sandwich they sell should cover the >cost >of electricity. > >As a big supporter of both EVs and co-ops, spending so much money on a >non-core service that comes with additional risks and marginal upside >just doesn't make any sense to me. To be honest, the better solution >would likely be to partner with an existing company who can take all >the >risks and deal with payments. The co-op should just reap the benefits >of having some shoppers spend more time and money in the store. > >-Brandon > >On 8/19/19 6:12 PM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: >> That's pretty optimistic thinking. You have to take into account how >> long a driver is willing to wait for a charger to become available. I > >> would guess in the *best* of circumstances that would result in a 50% > >> occupancy rate. But of course some times of day would be in more or >> less demand than others. >> >> Another factor is that some of the time is the user authorizing his >> account, plugging in the cable, and unplugging and moving the car >when >> done. You don't get revenue during those times. >> >> Third, if someone goes past about 80% charge, the trickle charge >> should start and you get substantially less revenue. >> >> I believe anyone who installs an L3 should expect it to be a loss and > >> plan on recouping it with associated business. >> >> Peri >> >> ------ Original Message ------ >> From: "paul dove via EV" <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Cc: "paul dove" <[email protected]>; "jim" <[email protected]> >> Sent: 19-Aug-19 1:06:04 PM >> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Public station, private ownership? >> >>> If there were a car plugged into all three for 10 hours a day that >>> would be $160 to $175 at $0.20 per KWh. Assuming cost of $0.10 a KWh > >>> that would take two years to get back the investment with no >>> maintenance costs. >>> >>> Those are big if's..... but then it would be $25k a year income. >I've >>> never seen chargers that busy around here but maybe in California. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Monday, August 19, 2019, 1:18:41 PM CDT, jim via EV >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Locally (Menomonie, WI, about an hour east of St Paul, MN) our food > >>> co-op and an electric car owner/investor are hoping to install two >>> level 2 and a 75kW level 3 charging stations at the co-op storefront > >>> location. They are figuring on about $50,000 by the time it is >>> functional (most of the cost due to the level 3 charging). I'm not >>> sure how payment for charging will be done, but I thought that the >>> total estimated cost that they are assuming was interesting. >>> Jim Erdman, in Menomonie, WI >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>> URL: >>> ><http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20190819/788e2b0a/attachment.html> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >>> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >>> Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA >>> (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >>> >>> >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>> URL: >>> ><http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20190819/6ff85f74/attachment.html> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >>> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >>> Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA >>> (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA >> (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA >(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. 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