I still say put in 110v outlets on all the curbs like up north. No need for an EVSE at all.
Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 19, 2019, at 9:00 PM, Brandon Hines via EV <[email protected]> wrote: > > I have always thought that one of the biggest problems with EVs is that it is > difficult to make charging infrastructure profitable. Any reasonably > profitable markup on electricity would be outrageous from a consumer > perspective. Any investment into a small number of stations does not > sufficient spread the risk. There is a high probability that maintenance > costs will eat most, if not all, potential profits. > > In this particular case I would highly advise against spending $50k for a L3 > charger at a co-op. L3 charging is more for long distance travel, not > opportunity charging. I suspect most people are not driving extended > distances to shop for groceries. > > A better strategy might be to install 6 L2 chargers for 1/10th the total cost > and allow shoppers to charge for free. The additional 20 miles added per hour > should be beneficial to most shoppers. And if an occasional shopper needs > more range they can sit for a meal at the deli. The extra Balsamic Pesto > sandwich they sell should cover the cost of electricity. > > As a big supporter of both EVs and co-ops, spending so much money on a > non-core service that comes with additional risks and marginal upside just > doesn't make any sense to me. To be honest, the better solution would likely > be to partner with an existing company who can take all the risks and deal > with payments. The co-op should just reap the benefits of having some > shoppers spend more time and money in the store. > > -Brandon > >> On 8/19/19 6:12 PM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: >> That's pretty optimistic thinking. You have to take into account how long a >> driver is willing to wait for a charger to become available. I would guess >> in the *best* of circumstances that would result in a 50% occupancy rate. >> But of course some times of day would be in more or less demand than others. >> >> Another factor is that some of the time is the user authorizing his account, >> plugging in the cable, and unplugging and moving the car when done. You >> don't get revenue during those times. >> >> Third, if someone goes past about 80% charge, the trickle charge should >> start and you get substantially less revenue. >> >> I believe anyone who installs an L3 should expect it to be a loss and plan >> on recouping it with associated business. >> >> Peri >> >> ------ Original Message ------ >> From: "paul dove via EV" <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Cc: "paul dove" <[email protected]>; "jim" <[email protected]> >> Sent: 19-Aug-19 1:06:04 PM >> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Public station, private ownership? >> >>> If there were a car plugged into all three for 10 hours a day that would be >>> $160 to $175 at $0.20 per KWh. Assuming cost of $0.10 a KWh that would take >>> two years to get back the investment with no maintenance costs. >>> >>> Those are big if's..... but then it would be $25k a year income. I've never >>> seen chargers that busy around here but maybe in California. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Monday, August 19, 2019, 1:18:41 PM CDT, jim via EV >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Locally (Menomonie, WI, about an hour east of St Paul, MN) our food co-op >>> and an electric car owner/investor are hoping to install two level 2 and a >>> 75kW level 3 charging stations at the co-op storefront location. They are >>> figuring on about $50,000 by the time it is functional (most of the cost >>> due to the level 3 charging). I'm not sure how payment for charging will >>> be done, but I thought that the total estimated cost that they are assuming >>> was interesting. >>> Jim Erdman, in Menomonie, WI >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>> URL: >>> <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20190819/788e2b0a/attachment.html> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >>> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >>> Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >>> >>> >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>> URL: >>> <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20190819/6ff85f74/attachment.html> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >>> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >>> Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
