Valance batteries already have a BMS built in. In addition, LiFePO4 cells have 
the highest thermal runaway temperature I believe it’s 250C so much safer than 
other chemistries. We overcharged one for 4 hours one time as a test. It melted 
the plastic casing and vented but never caught fire. I have a video of it I can 
post. Not to say they can’t go into thermal run away but much less likely. Just 
because an engineer developed a BMS does not make it good. It was an engineer 
that designed the lap top batteries that caught fire as well. Pick a product 
that’s got a good track record and has been around a while. I think wiring is 
much susceptible to fire and with a BMS you have many more connections. Pay 
close attention to details when connecting a BMS.

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> On Jun 7, 2020, at 11:59 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
> 
> Lithium batteries have an insane amount of energy in a small space.  A
> little carelessness or ignorance and they can burn your house down, maybe 
> with you and your family inside.
> 
> You prevent lithium disasters with close and redundant battery monitoring.  
> If you're a really good engineer, you can design that yourself (but you may 
> have some near-disasters along the way).  If you're a shadetree mechanic
> like you or me, you can buy it.  But buying a BMS mainly on price is - let's 
> say - a rather risky move.
> 
> Lawrence, a lot of I read from you in your posts is such words as 
> "inexpensive" and "cheap."  Budget hacks can get expensive fast if they 
> catch fire.  Not to be an alarmist, but I'm sure you don't want to become a 
> "SF EV Hobbyist Dies in House Fire" headline.
> 
> I suggest that you spring for a proven lithium battery *system* designed by
> someone who knows his or her stuff, and made by a qualified manufacturer 
> that isn't some here-today-gone-tomorrow Chinese sweatshop.  As far as I 
> know, your Valence batteries are one such system.
> 
> If you're not willing to spend a reasonable amount on a safe lithium battery 
> system, then please stick with good old lead batteries. Bob Rice's infamous 
> "Trojan Teakettles" notwithstanding, they're a lot less likely to hurt you 
> when they're mistreated.
> 
> David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
> EVDL Administrator
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