It is a general statement about Lithium batteries are specifications I have
seen
On Tuesday, June 9, 2020, 6:40:22 PM CDT, Peri Hartman via EV
<[email protected]> wrote:
Is that a fact, in the context of these CATL cells ? Or just a
generalization.
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------ Original Message ------
From: "paul dove" <[email protected]>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[email protected]>; "Peri
Hartman" <[email protected]>
Sent: 09-Jun-20 3:37:37 PM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Million Mile Battery
>Well in current terms it means number of cycles to 80% capacity.
>So about 3500 cycles to 80% or something like that.
>
>On Tuesday, June 9, 2020, 5:04:55 PM CDT, Peri Hartman via EV
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>I think there are several points not being said - or asked.
>
>1. What does "last" mean? 99% capacity, 90%, 70%.
>2. What is the comparison between +10% cost for this supposed product
>and using only 70% capacity of the current battery in your car -
>meaning
>you overpaid by 30%.
>3. How much more value is left in the battery after 300K miles of use -
>for repurposing as grid storge, e.g.
>
>Peri
>
>------ Original Message ------
>From: "EVDL Administrator via EV" <[email protected]>
>To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[email protected]>
>Cc: "EVDL Administrator" <[email protected]>
>Sent: 09-Jun-20 2:28:00 PM
>Subject: Re: [EVDL] Million Mile Battery
>
> >On 9 Jun 2020 at 9:52, moskowitz via EV wrote:
> >
> >> Extending that lifespan is viewed as a key advance because the pack
>could be
> >> reused in a second vehicle.
> >
> >This sounds great IF IT ACTUALLY HAPPENS. Still, I have some trouble
>seeing
> >such a gigantic cycle life increase as a significant advantage for the
> >typical EV owner.
> >
> >First, there's that 16 year time limit. The average person isn't
>going to
> >put much more than 300,000 miles (if that) on a vehicle in 16 years.
>So
> >that, not a million miles, is the real world lifespan, at least in a
> >consumer vehicle.
> >
> >Second, when the average person buys a new car, he expects to get a
>100% new
> >car. I don't see much market for putting used batteries in new cars.
>I
> >could be wrong.
> >
> >It might have more value for very high mileage use, such as taxicabs
>(if
> >they survive) or OTR trucks.
> >
> >> It would cost about 10% more than the batteries now inside EVs,
>said
> >> Zeng
> >
> >In the capitalist world, the cost to produce something is only
>distantly
> >related to what it costs the buyer. Rather, it's "how much can I get
>for
> >this?"
> >
> >A million mile battery may only cost 10% more to manufacture, but you
>and I
> >won't pay 10% more for it. I expect that a million mile battery (if
>it
> >actually arrives) will cost something between 2 and 6 times as much as
>a
> >150,000 mile battery. The main financial advantage will go to big
> >institutional investors, not to us consumers.
> >
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