I lived in Alaska for 30 years. Nearly every apartment and parking spot in the state is equipped with an individual electrical outlet to keep cars from freezing up during wintertime. Battery chargers, battery blankets, interior heaters and dipstick warmers all get plugged into these parking lot outlets. In winter, if you don’t plug in your car every time you drive it, you cant use it again until spring.
If we accept today’s apartment dweller access problem as the architectural status quo, then yes. It’s indisputable. EV’s will never work for 1/3 to 1/2 of the general population. However, clearly, certain apartment dwelling demographic segments could be eager EV adopters - for example, young people, starting out in their working life; up and coming, 30 somethings, innovative professionals; those established long term renters who can’t afford to purchase their own home; or anyone living on a budget who wishes to save fuel and car maintenance costs. folks in any of these demographics could lead the way to EV adoption and market penetration for apartment dwellers. So, advocate to these groups, to install car chargers. Once apartment owners see the benefit in installing electrical outlets, it becomes no big deal. indeed, in Fairbanks, apartment and condo building owners who don’t provide these things to tenants, are at a serious competitive disadvantage. Guess what they have all done? Now, does it require an advertising campaign, tax credit, or some other incentive to get started? Absolutely. Any social change requires thorough and thoughtful informational campaigns. That’s the nature of innovation. Isn’t that exactly what the EV community is all about? Sent from my iPad > On Feb 25, 2021, at 2:55 PM, Robert Bruninga via EV <[email protected]> wrote: > > About 2/3rds of all residences are single family homes by national census. > IE, fully 1/3rd generally cannot conveniently own an EV. > > I used that figure in my talks until I got statistics relevant to > Maryland. In Maryland (and presumably other mid-atlantic urban states) the > figure is closer to 50%. > > That is a huge factor but is also something that clever DIY individuals can > help overcome on a case basis. > Bob > > On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 10:36 AM Peri Hartman via EV <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Most people are not attached to ICEs. They will buy EVs when the price >> is compelling and they don't fear inconvenience of charging. >> >> On price, I suspect people will take fuel and maintenance into some >> account but not too much. The sticker price will have to be close. And, >> frankly, a new ICE will easily go for 10 years without any costly >> maintenance. >> >> On charging, it's easy for us EV adopters to ignore or work around >> charging issues. But, whether they need it or not, even two-car >> households are used to *each* car having the ability to go on a road >> trip. I see more and more people having a "moment of clarity" and >> realizing they can get by with one road-trip car, so that's changing. >> But on a road trip, few will be willing to wait for 30-60 minutes of >> charging every 2-3 hours. And, there's the plethora of apartment >> dwellers where charging infrastructure is difficult and costly to >> install. >> >> I really don't think people in general are resisting EVs, they just want >> a known entity. >> >> And, I think the same is true for the USPS. EV tech has changed a lot >> since their prior experiments and, now, there may be very little >> resistance by drivers. Right now, DeJoy is the problem, not the drivers. >> >> Peri >> >> << Annoyed by leaf blowers ? https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >> >> >> ------ Original Message ------ >> From: "jamie via EV" <[email protected]> >> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[email protected]> >> Cc: "jamie" <[email protected]> >> Sent: 25-Feb-21 12:03:26 AM >> Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Your mail may arrive by EV - or it may not >> >>> >>> Good points about the importance of political/emotional as well as >> technical reasons. In fact the world is constantly changing and things can >> become emotionally cool and politically popular over time. >>> >>> Technology improves. Clunky satellite phones that cost way too much and >> didn't work that well have morphed into amazing little internet >> communication and computing devices that most people today take for granted >> and wouldn't be without. >>> >>> EVs are climbing the adoption curve. EVs have become cool. People who buy >> them tend to say they will never go back. Major automobile companies are >> investing heavily into EVs going forward. Local and national governments, >> and some auto manufacturers, are putting a cutoff deadline on building and >> selling new fossil fuel cars. >>> >>> Tesla, on stock value, has become worth more than the other major auto >> companies combined, or some such, and their cars out-perform gas cars on >> multiple metrics. They can't make them fast enough to satisfy demand. We're >> a long way past the early EV experiments, lead acid batteries, really slow >> charging, and pain cars. >>> >>> Amazon, FedEx, etc. are moving into EV delivery trucks. There are spiffy >> EV police cars popping up in local police departments. Turns out there's >> money to be saved, along with the technical advantages. >>> >>> So things change. For an institution that prides itself on having a >> long-term view, it's past time for the post office to get with the program. >> I'll bet that at this point a lot of post office employees would agree - >> along with the bean counters who can foresee significant operational >> savings which the post office REALLY needs. >>> >>> IOW, just because something didn't work before, within the context and >> technology of earlier times, doesn't automatically mean it won't/can't work >> now when the context and technology has changed and the momentum continues >> to accelerate. >>> >>> They used to deliver mail with horses. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> -Jamie >>> >>> PS. Yes, gas engine mechanics may not be happy, (nor will the oil >> industry lobby). But if it's done right, delivery drivers and mail >> carriers, by and large, will be THRILLED to move beyond their ancient >> rattletraps into modern EVs. >>> >>> >>>> On 2/25/21 12:05 AM, Lee Hart via EV wrote: >>>> Steves via EV wrote: >>>>> Good article about postal vehicles and why they should be electric. >>>>> https://www.greatbusinessschools.org/usps-long-life-vehicle/ >>>>> >>>>> Biggest take aways: >>>>> - 96% of them drive less than 40 miles a day. >>>>> - current vehicles get 9 MPG >>>>> - 83% are urban (think pollution) >>>>> >>>>> Such a perfect fit for an EV >>>> >>>> Ah, but those are the technical reasons. What counts are the political >> and emotional reasons. >>>> >>>> The USPS has tried EVs quite a few times. They have always "failed"; not >> for technical reasons, but because the management and postal workers >> disliked them, and opposed them in every way possible. In extreme cases, >> the vehicles were even sabatoged to make *sure* they failed. >>>> >>>> My dad was a career postal employee. His "inside view" was that the >> postal union hated EVs; they were a disruptive technology that got in the >> way of "how we've always done things". EVs put limits on how and where >> postal workers could drive them. There was extra record-keeping, and it was >> harder to charge them than to put gas in. EVs also threatened the postal >> mechanic's jobs. >>>> >>>> Lower-level managers were also opposed. They didn't like to be told from >> "on high" how to do things. The postal bureaucracy is strong and deep, and >> mightily opposed to change. It's going to be mighty hard to overcome that >> prejudice and inertia. >>>> >>>> Lee Hart >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >>> ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ >>> LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ >> LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20210225/74b9e184/attachment.html> > _______________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ > LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org
