I think California has a state law requiring this. But it may never make sense for existing low income multi-unit dwellings.
- Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Feb 25, 2021, at 4:32 PM, Peri Hartman via EV <[email protected]> wrote: > > I think encouraging municipalities to change building codes to require some > percentage (or 100%) of parking places to have EV charging makes sense. > > However, the low hanging fruit is all the non-apartment dwellers. We really > need to focus there to keep building the momentum. Once enough of those > people believe in EVs, they will contribute to the effort and make it easier > to legislate ESVEs for apartment dwellers. > > Peri > > << Annoyed by leaf blowers ? https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >> > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Glenn Brooks via EV" <[email protected]> > To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[email protected]> > Cc: "Glenn Brooks" <[email protected]> > Sent: 25-Feb-21 3:57:26 PM > Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Your mail may arrive by EV - or it may not > >> I lived in Alaska for 30 years. Nearly every apartment and parking spot in >> the state is equipped with an individual electrical outlet to keep cars from >> freezing up during wintertime. Battery chargers, battery blankets, interior >> heaters and dipstick warmers all get plugged into these parking lot outlets. >> In winter, if you don’t plug in your car every time you drive it, you cant >> use it again until spring. >> >> If we accept today’s apartment dweller access problem as the architectural >> status quo, then yes. It’s indisputable. EV’s will never work for 1/3 to 1/2 >> of the general population. >> >> However, clearly, certain apartment dwelling demographic segments could be >> eager EV adopters - for example, young people, starting out in their working >> life; up and coming, 30 somethings, innovative professionals; those >> established long term renters who can’t afford to purchase their own home; >> or anyone living on a budget who wishes to save fuel and car maintenance >> costs. folks in any of these demographics could lead the way to EV adoption >> and market penetration for apartment dwellers. >> >> So, advocate to these groups, to install car chargers. >> >> Once apartment owners see the benefit in installing electrical outlets, it >> becomes no big deal. indeed, in Fairbanks, apartment and condo building >> owners who don’t provide these things to tenants, are at a serious >> competitive disadvantage. Guess what they have all done? >> >> Now, does it require an advertising campaign, tax credit, or some other >> incentive to get started? Absolutely. Any social change requires thorough >> and thoughtful informational campaigns. That’s the nature of innovation. >> >> Isn’t that exactly what the EV community is all about? >> >> >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>>> On Feb 25, 2021, at 2:55 PM, Robert Bruninga via EV <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>> >>> About 2/3rds of all residences are single family homes by national census. >>> IE, fully 1/3rd generally cannot conveniently own an EV. >>> >>> I used that figure in my talks until I got statistics relevant to >>> Maryland. In Maryland (and presumably other mid-atlantic urban states) the >>> figure is closer to 50%. >>> >>> That is a huge factor but is also something that clever DIY individuals can >>> help overcome on a case basis. >>> Bob >>> >>> On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 10:36 AM Peri Hartman via EV <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Most people are not attached to ICEs. They will buy EVs when the price >>>> is compelling and they don't fear inconvenience of charging. >>>> >>>> On price, I suspect people will take fuel and maintenance into some >>>> account but not too much. The sticker price will have to be close. And, >>>> frankly, a new ICE will easily go for 10 years without any costly >>>> maintenance. >>>> >>>> On charging, it's easy for us EV adopters to ignore or work around >>>> charging issues. But, whether they need it or not, even two-car >>>> households are used to *each* car having the ability to go on a road >>>> trip. I see more and more people having a "moment of clarity" and >>>> realizing they can get by with one road-trip car, so that's changing. >>>> But on a road trip, few will be willing to wait for 30-60 minutes of >>>> charging every 2-3 hours. And, there's the plethora of apartment >>>> dwellers where charging infrastructure is difficult and costly to >>>> install. >>>> >>>> I really don't think people in general are resisting EVs, they just want >>>> a known entity. >>>> >>>> And, I think the same is true for the USPS. EV tech has changed a lot >>>> since their prior experiments and, now, there may be very little >>>> resistance by drivers. Right now, DeJoy is the problem, not the drivers. >>>> >>>> Peri >>>> >>>> << Annoyed by leaf blowers ? https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >> >>>> >>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>> From: "jamie via EV" <[email protected]> >>>> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[email protected]> >>>> Cc: "jamie" <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: 25-Feb-21 12:03:26 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Your mail may arrive by EV - or it may not >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Good points about the importance of political/emotional as well as >>>> technical reasons. In fact the world is constantly changing and things can >>>> become emotionally cool and politically popular over time. >>>>> >>>>> Technology improves. Clunky satellite phones that cost way too much and >>>> didn't work that well have morphed into amazing little internet >>>> communication and computing devices that most people today take for granted >>>> and wouldn't be without. >>>>> >>>>> EVs are climbing the adoption curve. EVs have become cool. People who buy >>>> them tend to say they will never go back. Major automobile companies are >>>> investing heavily into EVs going forward. Local and national governments, >>>> and some auto manufacturers, are putting a cutoff deadline on building and >>>> selling new fossil fuel cars. >>>>> >>>>> Tesla, on stock value, has become worth more than the other major auto >>>> companies combined, or some such, and their cars out-perform gas cars on >>>> multiple metrics. They can't make them fast enough to satisfy demand. We're >>>> a long way past the early EV experiments, lead acid batteries, really slow >>>> charging, and pain cars. >>>>> >>>>> Amazon, FedEx, etc. are moving into EV delivery trucks. There are spiffy >>>> EV police cars popping up in local police departments. Turns out there's >>>> money to be saved, along with the technical advantages. >>>>> >>>>> So things change. For an institution that prides itself on having a >>>> long-term view, it's past time for the post office to get with the program. >>>> I'll bet that at this point a lot of post office employees would agree - >>>> along with the bean counters who can foresee significant operational >>>> savings which the post office REALLY needs. >>>>> >>>>> IOW, just because something didn't work before, within the context and >>>> technology of earlier times, doesn't automatically mean it won't/can't work >>>> now when the context and technology has changed and the momentum continues >>>> to accelerate. >>>>> >>>>> They used to deliver mail with horses. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> -Jamie >>>>> >>>>> PS. Yes, gas engine mechanics may not be happy, (nor will the oil >>>> industry lobby). But if it's done right, delivery drivers and mail >>>> carriers, by and large, will be THRILLED to move beyond their ancient >>>> rattletraps into modern EVs. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 2/25/21 12:05 AM, Lee Hart via EV wrote: >>>>>> Steves via EV wrote: >>>>>>> Good article about postal vehicles and why they should be electric. >>>>>>> https://www.greatbusinessschools.org/usps-long-life-vehicle/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Biggest take aways: >>>>>>> - 96% of them drive less than 40 miles a day. >>>>>>> - current vehicles get 9 MPG >>>>>>> - 83% are urban (think pollution) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Such a perfect fit for an EV >>>>>> >>>>>> Ah, but those are the technical reasons. What counts are the political >>>> and emotional reasons. >>>>>> >>>>>> The USPS has tried EVs quite a few times. They have always "failed"; not >>>> for technical reasons, but because the management and postal workers >>>> disliked them, and opposed them in every way possible. In extreme cases, >>>> the vehicles were even sabatoged to make *sure* they failed. >>>>>> >>>>>> My dad was a career postal employee. His "inside view" was that the >>>> postal union hated EVs; they were a disruptive technology that got in the >>>> way of "how we've always done things". EVs put limits on how and where >>>> postal workers could drive them. There was extra record-keeping, and it was >>>> harder to charge them than to put gas in. EVs also threatened the postal >>>> mechanic's jobs. >>>>>> >>>>>> Lower-level managers were also opposed. They didn't like to be told from >>>> "on high" how to do things. The postal bureaucracy is strong and deep, and >>>> mightily opposed to change. It's going to be mighty hard to overcome that >>>> prejudice and inertia. >>>>>> >>>>>> Lee Hart >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >>>>> ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ >>>>> LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >>>> ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ >>>> LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >>>> >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>> URL: >>> <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20210225/74b9e184/attachment.html> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >>> ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ >>> LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ >> LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > > _______________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ > LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org
