Yep, gas and electricity might be about equal for heating, but with a heatppump AND investing in home solar, you can lock in your home heat forever.Renewable adn cheaper in the logn run.
Bob On Sun, May 9, 2021 at 7:40 PM EVDL Administrator via EV <[email protected]> wrote: > > On 9 May 2021 at 14:38, Jim Walls via EV wrote: > > > I heat my house, make hot water, and cook (except for the microwave) > > with natural gas. I can do all that for less than electric heating one room > > part time. I'm in no hurry to move away from natural gas for making heat. > > I have two reactions to this. > > 1. You're just one case. Not everyone has the same relative costs for fuel > gas and electricity. > > 2. What it costs you as an individual is only part of the picture. We also > have to consider what it costs society - both monetary and health. > Ultimately that's a cost to you too, because your taxes have to cover it. > > Comments on the above: > > Our costs for fuel gas here in the US are temporarily unnaturally low, > because the determined scramble to crush every bit of shale rock under this > nation and release all its fuel gas has created a gas surplus. It won't > last. > > Other nations have to import their gas, in some cases from nations they'd > rather not have to patronize. Much of western Europe is shifting to > renewables, both for this political reason, and to reduce their carbon > emissions. So typically they price their gas to encourage electricity use, > and in some cases no longer approve new fuel gas installations. > > Take France for example. Electricity is about 0.16 euro per KWH, and gas is > about 0.075 euro per KWH. Seems like a no-brainer at first glance. But a > heat pump with a COOP of 3.3 (typical minisplit) effectively cuts the > electricity cost to 0.048 euro per KWH of heat produced. > > When you do the math, you find that, in France, a minisplit is the lowest > cost home heat source. It's even cheaper than heating with wood, formerly > the low cost champ. > > As a further incentive, the French government subsidizes heat pump > installations. BTW, they also subsidize EVs directly, at 7,000 euros for > most models, and give homeowners a tax credit toward installing EVSEs. > > David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey > > To reach me, don't reply to this message; I won't get it. Use my > offlist address here : http://evdl.org/help/index.html#supt > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > The business model of the internet is surveillance. > > -- Bruce Schneier > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > > _______________________________________________ > Address messages to [email protected] > No other addresses in TO and CC fields > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ > LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org _______________________________________________ Address messages to [email protected] No other addresses in TO and CC fields UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org
