On 2009-11-26, at 7:24 AM, Jan Ulrich Hasecke wrote:

> Am 26.11.2009 um 16:09 schrieb Norman Fournier:
> 
>> think there may be more positive ways for plone to get this message across
> 
> For example?
> 
> I think we must have clear rules. The first hacker who puts his name on the 
> frontpage wins, if he documents how he'd done it. If we have more macs the 
> first three or four hackers win, if they don't use the same exploit.
> 
> And better they find the exploit on a dummy site as if they'd find them on 
> the CIA-site?
> 
> juh

I think plone could continue to boast of enterprise installations as before: 
"NASA rocket scientists tried and like plone". What more needs to be told?

I had one prospect declare plone security fit for a knitting circle but debate 
would be moot when someone has their mind made up. Those with their minds made 
up need to be shown by demonstration and it is much easier to convert the 
enormous percentage that want to change.

By their nature hackers are all over plone all the time and I see them 
frequently go so far as to register on a site I built. Never to any avail. I 
can tell they're mal by their usernames. They poke around because of the 
anonymous send, mainly, but workflow defeats their purposes. Pffft.

Why issue a "step across this line" challenge to a criminal? The idea is 
provocative, which I like, but is like saying "go ahead gimme your best shot" 
to someone who is comfortable swinging baseball bats and broken bottles. haha!

The "hack attack win a mac" costs a mac, which to me, is really a lot of money. 
I am a mac user.

Here's an alternative. Visitors to plone.org poll on their favourite plonesite. 
Developers could submit their favourites for consideration. The owner of the 
site wins the Mac or Macs for a school in one of their less-fortunate 
neighbourhoods, allowing the kids to learn how beautiful, simple and powerful 
plone is? Technical support by the plone-users list? Documented on plone.net, 
YouTube, or ? Smiling children conquering a seemingly insurmountable technical 
challenge? Build the plone community.

For your comments.

Norman


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