This is great to see we're headed in the right direction, but I think the fact I am saying that, says we're not there yet and is why Plone isn't looked at as 'Enterprise' just yet.

Nice job on the post, Sally. Actually, I had seen it recently, but couldn't recall who/where it was posted, sorry. When I was at CMS Expo last Spring, I saw an Alfresco presentation on CMIS and their integration with Drupal or Joomla as a front-end. That was the first I had seen a CMIS presentation in the open source world. Was obvious Alfresco gets how to target Enterprise and being a Sharepoint replacement for the non-MS crowd and/or pro-Java or pro-anything else crowd.

Great to see these developments, though!  See you tonight at Gilbane?


Nate Aune wrote:
b) CMIS:

Did you see Sally's blog post on CMIS and Plone?

5) Terabyte storage solutions.  Documentum and their DMS-based ilk have
handled this for years.  How many large-scale storage Plone case studies are
there on  Many a time, Plone integrators can't discuss the few
successes that may exist here.  Hopefully, this story improves with BLOB
storage in Plone 4.

Sasha recently wrote a blog post about large repositories of data
being served up from Plone using

We're currently working on a project to build a digital asset
management system using Plone, which will be serving terabytes of


Matt Hamilton wrote:
On 30 Nov 2009, at 09:18 PM, Dylan Jay <> wrote:

These are awesome points. I think unique and challenging reality is that
plone is both product and a platform but we've been trying market both
through the same channels which is why the message has sometimes been
confusing. Eg we say plone is easy to install but in reality only in
drvrloment mode not production mode so that is really a platfom message not
a product message.
Drupal delivers drupal the product message via it's dot com site and it's
platform message via it's dot org site.

I am also thinking we are better off concentrating on selling plone as a
platform. Not just because we need more develepers and integrators to gain
greater momentum but recently I've been discovering plone doest sell well as
a product.
If someone comes to us (as PretaWeb) and says
A) we need a website that can blah blah then plone is easy to sell.
If a customer comes to us and says
B) we're considering to purchase plone as a cms or intranet it's a really
hard sell.
This is even though we sell training and support and that both solutions
would need to be equally customized. Why?
People picking products tend to pick product companies. Makes them more
comfortable. They feel like they can sue them and that will act more to help
them to protect the reputation of the product etc. Plone has no product
I guess this is why open source works better for platforms than products.
I'm at a show so only a brief reply now, but just say that CMS Watch
recently recategorised their vendor listings and now split by platform vs
product and by size. IIRC Plone is in the Mid-range Platform category. Along
with Drupal and Typo3. Alfresco is in Upper-range platform. Joomla and
Terminal4 are in Simpler Products.

The CMS Watch stand is near us at the show I'll try and get some feedback
on their views as to what went into categorising them.

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