You can't commit suicide. That would involve a passage of time from a moment
before the suicide to a moment after it. Such a passage of time is not an
objective feature of reality (although there is a universe with 'you'
pre-suicide, one with a dead 'you' post-suicide, and one with a live 'you'
post-suicide.

And Descartes was plain wrong, too. All we know is 'there is a thought' -
not that there is an I. Why do you have to jump from 'there is a thought' to
the idea that you are an independent 'self' undegoing successive experiences
in time? It's a massive leap, completely wrong, and the source of 90% of the
conundra on this list.

James

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, 22 February, 2000 4:49 AM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:      Re: Quantum Time Travel
> 
> In a message dated 02/21/2000 2:38:26 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> >   This shit's sounding sillier by the second.
> >   I'll note, once again, that "quantum suicide" does not *move* you
> >  to the surviving branches.  Those branches would have existed anyway.
> All
> >  it does is kill off what would have been perfectly acceptable copies of
> >  you.
> 
> I could argue that my version of time travel instead of killing off
> branches 
> that would have existed anyway, CREATES new branches where you are not
> there, 
> that is creates those branches where your suicide is successful, and 
> preserves those branches where your suicide is not successful. This
> argument, 
> however, would fall on deaf ears especially if those ears are connected to
> a 
> head that believes in an absolute objective reality. No one, however, has
> any 
> proof of any objective reality. The only fundamental fact which is
> knowable 
> is a purely subjective fact, "I think," as Descartes said.
> 
> No matter how you look at it, the whole justification for QS depends on
> the 
> assumption that there is no decrease in "measure" as seen by the first 
> person, which in turns depends on the renormalization of measure at 
> everypoint. Since I do not buy the concept of objective reality, I do not 
> believe that measure decreases as seen by the first person, and therefore
> I 
> believe that measure is renormalized at every point as seen by the
> observer. 
> This is where Jacques and I differ. He believes in an objective and
> absolute 
> reality and I believe in a relative and subjective one.
> 
> This being said, I am absolutely opposed to QS on moral principles. I
> think 
> that is is possible to evolve a morality emergent from a relativistic
> point 
> of view of the world.
> 
> George Levy

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