Le 18-juil.-06, à 12:30, 1Z a écrit :

>> Quentin Anciaux: Because if you were in a "simulation" and you have 
>> managed to get out of it,
>> how can you know you have reach the bottom level of reality (ie: the 
>> material
>> world then) ? How can you know the new real world you are now in is 
>> the real
>> world and not another simulation ?
> 1Z: e.g it has some non-computable physics.

But comp and platonism already predict some non computable physics. You 
said it yourself by pointing correctly that platonism leads to the 
apparent possibility of HP universe (Harry Potter Universe, or flying 
pigs, or random noise, ...). The mystery with "naive comp" is that it 
remains something apparently computable in our neighborhood.
And that  "mystery" cannot be used as a straightforward refutation of 
comp, once we look at the non trivialities of computer science and of 
consistent self-referential discourses.

If we bet on comp, then we can already bet we already live in a 
simulation, the natural one which emerges from the "creative nature" of 
the relations between numbers.



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