Colin Hales wrote:
> 1Z
> >
> > Colin Hales wrote:
> > > >
> > > > So I ask again HOW would we act DIFFERENTLY if we acted "as-if" MIND
> > > > EXISTED.  So far
> > > > the only difference I SEE is writing a lot of stuff in CAPS.
> > > >
> > > > Brent Meeker
> > > >
> > >
> > > Formally we would investigate new physics of underlying reality such as
> > > this:
> >
> > Why not investigate consciousness at the neuronal level rather than
> > the fundamental-particle level?
> >
> >
> The problem is that cells are defined and understood only through being
> observed with our phenomenal consciousness.

Not "only". Cognition and instrumentation are needed too.

> That process, for the reasons
> that I have been outlining, can never supply a reason why it shall be
> necessarily 'like something' to be a cell of a collection of them.

I'm afraid that reason has passed me by

> That
> reason is buried deep in the fabric of things. If you understand the
> underlying structure giving rise to phenomenality then the underlying
> structure will literally predict the existence, shape, size, behaviour and
> interconnectivity of neurons and astrocytes _in order_ that you be
> conscious.

And do you understand the underlying structure ?

> Our logic is all backwards: We need to have a theory predicting brain
> material. A theory based on brain material cannot predict brain material,

Why not? Cars cannot understand themselves, but they
cannot understand anything else. The fact that the brain
is being refelexively usd to understand itself is
a unique feature of cosnciousness studies,
but it is not clear why it make cosnciousness studies flatly
You might expect it to make the study of consiousness
easier, in sone respects.

> especially one that has used the property we are trying to find to observe
> the brain material. The whole exploratory loop is screwed up.
> Cheers
> Colin Hales

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