Re: Maudlin's Demon (Argument)

[George Levy]

David Nyman wrote: On Oct 9, 8:54 pm, George Levy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: To observe a split consciousness, you need an observer who is also split, in sync with the split consciousness, across time, space, substrate and level (a la Zelazny - Science Fiction writer). In your example, for an observer to see consciousness in the machine, he must be willing to exist at the earlier interval, skip over the time delay carrying the recording and resume his existence at the later interval. If he observes only a part of the whole thing, say the recording, he may conclude that the machine is not conscious. Careful, George. Remember the observer *is* the machine. Consequently he's never in a position to 'conclude that the machine is not conscious', because in that case, it is precisely *he* that is not conscious. There is no question that the machine needs to be conscious - this is the whole point of the experiment - The observer *may* be the machine, but does not have to be (we could conduct a Turing test for example). In any case I think there may be great benefit in decoupling the observer function explicitely. The presence of such an observer and its location with respect the machine will force the issue on the first and third person perspective. In fact the consciousness of the observer is not really at issue. What I think is at issue is the consciousness of the machine as seen from different perspectives. It may even be sufficient to make the observer some kind of testing program running on a computer. But you're right IMO that the the concatenation of these observer moments represents the observer's conscious 'existence in time' . The 1-person narrative of this concatenation is what comprises IMO, the A-series (i.e. the conscious discriminability of observer moments arising from the consistent 1-person compresence of global and local aspects of the observer), whereas any 3-person account of this is necessarily stripped back to a B-series that reduces, ultimately, to Planck-length 'snapshots' devoid of temporality. David --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---